pediatricians refusing service

[TSD]

http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/parenting/pediatricians-turn-away-kids-who-arent-vaccinated-2509592/



Bravo, pediatricians. When this hysteria has gotten to a point where doctors are refusing to treat children of parents who wont immunize them, its time for a reality check. The guy that started the whole autism/vaccine thing WAS A FRAUD.



Is it just people dont want to admit they of all people could get hoodwinked into endangering their childs welfare? So they convince themselves of some alternate reality where it isnt bullshit?



If anything this is a perfect example of people brainwashing themselves, people still believe this shit when faced with indisputable evidence it was all a lie.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

I have a friend that is championing the anti-vaccination movement.

It takes nearly every thread in my body not to call her an idiot for endangering her children due to her blaming her son's autism due to vaccinations.

 

[TSD]

I have a friend that is championing the anti-vaccination movement.

It takes nearly every thread in my body not to call her an idiot for endangering her children due to her blaming her son's autism due to vaccinations.

As the article mentioned they arent just endangering their own children. The reason these doctors are refusing service is because of babies in their office who arent vaccinated yet, or kids who cant be vaccinated for some reason or another.



Now they are falling back on "It may not cause autism, but....did you see whats in these things?" um do you read the ingredients on every food item you buy in the grocery store?

Theres a reason for everything in a vaccine, they didnt say lets just find the wierdest shit we can grind up and inject into children for the hell of it.



Or, "THERES MERCURY IN THEM THAR VACCINES!", you are more likely to get mercury poisoning from a can of tuna.





Oh right its all about the money, of course they make money off of them, in comparison to the money they make off other drug products? its peanuts. (I think it makes up only 10% of total revenue)

 

[BigPete]

While I certainly have to believe you are better off getting a vaccine against horribly swift moving diseases that can kill in days, does a flu shot (for instance) really do as much as advertized.



I have not gotten a flu shot in a decade and have not gotten the flu in said time. Admittedly I am a fast healer and rarely get sick from anything other than seasonal allergies and the occasional bought of food poisoning. I have also had a sinus infection or two in the last ten years.



So what have vaccines really done for me lately?

 

[bubbleheadchief]

While I certainly have to believe you are better off getting a vaccine against horribly swift moving diseases that can kill in days, does a flu shot (for instance) really do as much as advertized.



I have not gotten a flu shot in a decade and have not gotten the flu in said time. Admittedly I am a fast healer and rarely get sick from anything other than seasonal allergies and the occasional bought of food poisoning. I have also had a sinus infection or two in the last ten years.



So what have vaccines really done for me lately?

Pete, I understand where you are coming from, I went through that fucking line of sadists with their little injection guns during bootcamp too (and that "peanut butter" shot in the ass cheek), but this isn't about adults and the flu vaccine. This is about the things that children and infants are suseptible to. I for one, as a parent think it is irresponsible of a parent to refuse to vaccinate thier kid. I won't play with my childs health, I want him to bury me, not the other way around.

 

[winos5]

Prevented you/your children from getting a host of illnesses.



Measles

German Measles

Mumps

Pertussis

Diptheria

Chickenpox

Polio

Tetnus

Hepatitis B

Hepatitis A

Hemophillus Influenza meningitis

Pneumococcal diseases (meningitis, ear infections, pneumonia)

Human papilloma virus

Influenza viruses

Shingles

Rotavirus

Respitory Syncitial virus (RSV)

Meningococcal meningitis



For some occupations/locales

Yellow fever

Cholera

Typhoid

Rabies

Smallpox

Anthrax



There are a host of disease specific gamma globulin, toxoid, and antibody preparations as well.



I'm happy to say that due to my occupation and military background I've recieved 80-90% of the vaccines on that list. My wife and kids as well.



The whole anti-vaccine argument is a farce. IMO the only exemptions for omitting routine vaccines should be medical reasons or religious objections.

 

[MassHavoc]

The tragedy here will be when the crackpot doctors come out of the woodwork to combat these doctors by setting up special practices to treat only unvaccinated children at double the cost. They will cash in on this.

 

[BigPete]

The whole anti-vaccine argument is a farce. IMO the only exemptions for omitting routine vaccines should be medical reasons or religious objections.

I know. I was just trying to shift things and put an adult perspective on it. I was not trying to discredit the notion of childhood vaccinations as some kind of snake oil business. I guess I was thread jacking.



I agree with you guys though, the anti-vaccination crap moved along by some hollywood mothers is egregious. All of that was of course supported by that quack job doctor and his BS study.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

I am rather impressed by the big words and proper spelling/grammar we have been using today...LOL.

 

[BigPete]

Pete, I understand where you are coming from, I went through that fucking line of sadists with their little injection guns during bootcamp too (and that "peanut butter" shot in the ass cheek), but this isn't about adults and the flu vaccine. This is about the things that children and infants are suseptible to. I for one, as a parent think it is irresponsible of a parent to refuse to vaccinate thier kid. I won't play with my childs health, I want him to bury me, not the other way around.

Oh man, it wasn't just the basic training line. It was every time we deployed anywhere. Even if you had a shot card with recent updates they were more likely to give you the shit again, "just to be safe".



I don't have needle phobia, but my body loves to freak out on epinephrine and make me see stars and sweat bullets. Good times.

 

[BigPete]

I am rather impressed by the big words and proper spelling/grammar we have been using today...LOL.

I didn't get to be an intelligence analyst by being a dumbass! lol

 

[Kerfuffle]

As a father with an autistic child this thread hits home. While I generally don't believe vaccines caused his autism, I'm also not completely certain either. It is hard to tell and I haven't read the research on it. My wife and I have a couple books but I haven't read them yet. We felt our little guy was fine the first year and then started seeing some symptoms around 13 months. We continued to vaccinate but I do wonder if maybe some kids are genetically predisposed to the condition and maybe the vaccines do play a role. Like I said, I don't know, but I'm not completely ruling it out. There's a lot that is still unknown about autism.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

Oh man, it wasn't just the basic training line. It was every time we deployed anywhere. Even if you had a shot card with recent updates they were more likely to give you the shit again, "just to be safe".



I don't have needle phobia, but my body loves to freak out on epinephrine and make me see stars and sweat bullets. Good times.

LOL...try being a kid born overseas getting all those vaccinations, then coming to the States. I ltireally heard my Dad, an E-5 at the time telling a LCDR, "You stick my kid with that needle before seeing if he will have any kind of reaction with his previous injections, I will take that needle and stick it in your ass." Could be why I never had a problem telling any of my Div-O's, Dept Heads or Skippers what I really thought?!?!



And we all know that intelligene analysts (there is an oxymoron) make semi-knowledgable guesses.

 

[bri]

As a father with an autistic child this thread hits home. While I generally don't believe vaccines caused his autism, I'm also not completely certain either. It is hard to tell and I haven't read the research on it. My wife and I have a couple books but I haven't read them yet. We felt our little guy was fine the first year and then started seeing some symptoms around 13 months. We continued to vaccinate but I do wonder if maybe some kids are genetically predisposed to the condition and maybe the vaccines do play a role. Like I said, I don't know, but I'm not completely ruling it out. There's a lot that is still unknown about autism.

You should read Jenny McCarthy's books. Her son has autism. Her books are very informative and may be of some help. Not that you would think this, but I have actually encountered people who I have suggested her books to and they have told me they wouldn't read her book because she posed for playboy almost as if an autistic child was punishment for doing so. I find it extremely disturbing that people can be so narrow minded to think that being in Playboy automatically makes you a slut or a bad person. It was really hard for me to hold my tongue and keep from asking this person what heinous act they had committed to warrant the same fate.

 

[BigPete]

You should really move to a larger city Bri. There is a lot of small mindedness in rural America. Some of them don't even understand where the wind comes from.



As for the Jenny McCarthy books, you have to take those with a grain of salt if you believe the current news that the Doctor that wrote those opinions was lieing.

 

[Tater]

I am rather impressed by the big words and proper spelling/grammar we have been using today...LOL.

STFU



Wat do yu kno?

 

[bri]

It isn't just about shots. She has done a lot of research and has found things that have really helped to improve her son's quality of life. Some has to do with diet and digestion. She admits that those things might not work for every child, but they worked for her son.

 

[roshinaya]

Isn't McCarthy one of those anti-vaccine kooks? I wouldn't listen what she says about vaccines. Is there a chance that the kid might get some autism or whatever from vaccine? Yes, but the risk is way smaller than the kid getting the disease the vaccine would prevent. Having a lot of kids not getting vaccinated also lowers the herd immunity and exposes even more kids to diseases. It's just plain dumb not to vaccinate.

 

[winos5]

As a father with an autistic child this thread hits home. While I generally don't believe vaccines caused his autism, I'm also not completely certain either. It is hard to tell and I haven't read the research on it. My wife and I have a couple books but I haven't read them yet. We felt our little guy was fine the first year and then started seeing some symptoms around 13 months. We continued to vaccinate but I do wonder if maybe some kids are genetically predisposed to the condition and maybe the vaccines do play a role. Like I said, I don't know, but I'm not completely ruling it out. There's a lot that is still unknown about autism.

There is no credible medical scientific evidence linking vaccines to autism. Every law suit to date has been thrown out for the same reason. The one study supposedly providing this link was shown definateively to be a fraud propagated by a greedy unethical physician and the lawyers that funded him. He has lost his license to practice medicine and the disgraced medical journal that published his article has been forced to retract it.



An excellent source for reliable health info and debunking of various scams is www.Quackwatch.org



Heres a few links;

http://www.autism-watch.org/



This gives excellent information as to the known scientific evidence about autism and what is effective for therapy and an extensive list of dicredited/fraudulent treatments and the Quack's pushing them



http://www.quackwatch.com/03HealthPromotion/immu/too_many.html



Excellent article about childhood vaccines

 

[IceHogsFan]

LOL...try being a kid born overseas getting all those vaccinations, then coming to the States. I ltireally heard my Dad, an E-5 at the time telling a LCDR, "You stick my kid with that needle before seeing if he will have any kind of reaction with his previous injections, I will take that needle and stick it in your ass." Could be why I never had a problem telling any of my Div-O's, Dept Heads or Skippers what I really thought?!?!



And we all know that intelligene analysts (there is an oxymoron) make semi-knowledgable guesses.

I have and still know people in intelligence serving. Just because you are in it does not mean you have it.