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Isn't McCarthy one of those anti-vaccine kooks? I wouldn't listen what she says about vaccines. Is there a chance that the kid might get some autism or whatever from vaccine? Yes, but the risk is way smaller than the kid getting the disease the vaccine would prevent. Having a lot of kids not getting vaccinated also lowers the herd immunity and exposes even more kids to diseases. It's just plain dumb not to vaccinate.





recent outbreaks of pertussis among vaccinated people prove that herd immunity doesnt work!!!
 

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It's very difficult trying to convince parents of the anti-vaccine crowd that they are wrong. I'd compare it to an argument about evolution vs Intelligent Design/creationism or global warming/climate change.
 

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It's very difficult trying to convince parents of the anti-vaccine crowd that they are wrong. I'd compare it to an argument about evolution vs Intelligent Design/creationism or global warming/climate change.

Well there just HAS to be a reason you know. And it HAS to come from a 'reputable' source...
 

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I'm on the fence on the matter. Also why the hell is chickenpox on that list? I had chickenpox and I lived, sure it is dangerous as an adult but what I remember is it is next to harmless to children just itches like a motherfucker.



Also the comercials I am seeing are saying 1 in 110 kids born are being diagnosed with Autism. Something is seriously fucking wrong. Maybe it is the vaccines maybe it is something else. It at least deserved to be heavily researched.
 

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I'm on the fence on the matter. Also why the hell is chickenpox on that list? I had chickenpox and I lived, sure it is dangerous as an adult but what I remember is it is next to harmless to children just itches like a motherfucker.



Also the comercials I am seeing are saying 1 in 110 kids born are being diagnosed with Autism. Something is seriously fucking wrong. Maybe it is the vaccines maybe it is something else. It at least deserved to be heavily researched.



Autism is starting to be an umbrella disease for many other problems. Much like OCD and ADD. They are all serious things but becoming over/falsely diagnosed because it's easier and more profitable to find the true diagnosis.
 

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I'm on the fence on the matter. Also why the hell is chickenpox on that list? I had chickenpox and I lived, sure it is dangerous as an adult but what I remember is it is next to harmless to children just itches like a motherfucker.



Also the comercials I am seeing are saying 1 in 110 kids born are being diagnosed with Autism. Something is seriously fucking wrong. Maybe it is the vaccines maybe it is something else. It at least deserved to be heavily researched.



It's being detected more often now do to effective childhood screening programs. Kids with very mild disease or mild Aspergers syndrome often went undiagnosed in the past.



There is no link to vaccines, nor is there credible evidence that hormonal/endocrine problems, diet or vitamin deficiency is the cause.



Not saying there is no environmental link, just that if there is, they don't really know definatively what it is.



I beleive anti-depressant medicine use before/during pregnancy is being looked at closely.



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recent outbreaks of pertussis among vaccinated people prove that herd immunity doesnt work!!!





I can't have the pertussis vaccine. I had a reaction after I had a DPT shot as a baby and the Dr said I can't have the pertussis part of the shot anymore.
 

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Another thing to keep in mind - just because the current scientific research might not prove a link to vaccines and autism, there is nothing to say that new science and methods won't evolve over time that eventually do show some correlation. That's why I'm in the middle still on this one.
 

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It's very difficult trying to convince parents of the anti-vaccine crowd that they are wrong. I'd compare it to an argument about evolution vs Intelligent Design/creationism or global warming/climate change.

I see your point in comparison.

It's an apple/oranges argument because the Autism argument you're telling people that they're wrong when it comes to protecting their children. Their personal maternal/paternal biases start kicking in.



Then you begin to hear excuses that parents are smarter than the doctors and specialists, i.e. "I know MY child/my body." In some cases that's true, especially with a preexisting condition. What happens is when doctors start giving up the science and research and use emotions as a way to combat conditions/diseases. They use the respected term "doctor" to manipulate numbers for a cause that may be detrimental to health rather than benefitting it.
 

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another point to this whole debate...well actually 2



1..if vaccines are so safe why do parents have to sign a waiver stating they will not hold the dr, govt, or pharmaceutical company liable if something bad happens?



2...if vaccines are so safe why does the national vaccine injury program exist???
 

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Another thing to keep in mind - just because the current scientific research might not prove a link to vaccines and autism, there is nothing to say that new science and methods won't evolve over time that eventually do show some correlation. That's why I'm in the middle still on this one.



I can provide you with water but I can't make you drink it.
 

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I can provide you with water but I can't make you drink it.

I'm not saying I disagree with you. In fact I'm more on the side of vaccines are okay and good. We still vaccinate our kids btw. I'm just concerned about my little guy and wondering if we did him harm by the vaccinations cause to us he was fine til around 13 months. As a parent you go through these things in your head so nothing is ruled out.
 

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another point to this whole debate...well actually 2



1..if vaccines are so safe why do parents have to sign a waiver stating they will not hold the dr, govt, or pharmaceutical company liable if something bad happens?



2...if vaccines are so safe why does the national vaccine injury program exist???





The only thing I've ever seen a patient sign is the VIS, the vaccine information/safety form. It's informed consent, telling the patient what risk they are taking by consenting to a vaccine and documenting that you did it, much like a surgeon would do before an invasive treatment or elective surgery. It does not waive liability if the nurse, MD, PA, NP ect...acts maliciously.



The National Vaccine Injury Program exists to compensate those patients/families that can show they were injured by a vaccine. Since it is not a civil trial, but a hearing before a special adjudicator, the evidence in these hearings must be credible scientific fact, supported by scientific medical studies, medical experts and well documented in the patients medical record. As most of the claims don't meet these standards it explains why the majority of claims are tossed as having no merit.



The link I supplied to Quackwatch has extensive legal briefings related to multple Vaccine injury cases if you care to puruse them. It does not paint a pretty picture of the anti-vaccine crowd.
 

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Another thing to keep in mind - just because the current scientific research might not prove a link to vaccines and autism, there is nothing to say that new science and methods won't evolve over time that eventually do show some correlation. That's why I'm in the middle still on this one.



However, keep in mind that correlation does not imply causation.
 

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I have and still know people in intelligence serving. Just because you are in it does not mean you have it.





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I'm on the fence on the matter. Also why the hell is chickenpox on that list? I had chickenpox and I lived, sure it is dangerous as an adult but what I remember is it is next to harmless to children just itches like a motherfucker.



Also the comercials I am seeing are saying 1 in 110 kids born are being diagnosed with Autism. Something is seriously fucking wrong. Maybe it is the vaccines maybe it is something else. It at least deserved to be heavily researched.





Autism no covers a far wider range of cases than it once previously did. People fail to realize at one point when people had these problems we didnt have a name for them, so its not like they all of a sudden appeared, its that now, problems that have existed for ages have a name.



Aspergers Autistics, were not considered Autistic at one time. So if you keep adding people to the definition of autism of course its going to seem like the cases are on the rise.
 

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Another thing to keep in mind - just because the current scientific research might not prove a link to vaccines and autism, there is nothing to say that new science and methods won't evolve over time that eventually do show some correlation. That's why I'm in the middle still on this one.





Could it? possibly. The thing is the one study that kicked off the entire craze was found to be completely baseless. So the entire concept of a link between autism/vaccines was started with a complete falsehood, thats the problem, why do people believe this, when the whole basis for that belief has been proven to be false.



When someone can tell me WHY scientifically vaccines cause autism. I'll start believing. Hell if you can tell me anything that is scientifically proven to cause autism period, id love to hear it.





as someone else mentioned correlation is not causation.
 

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I have heard from a few credible sources, such as doctors and so on, that kids being immunized against whooping cough may not be good after all. Whooping cough some studies have shown eliminates cases of asthma. I could be wrong, I don't know where those studies are, and I have no links for y'all. Hell, for all I know, those studies could have been from the discredited asshat doc.



There is the problem. Everyone assumes what they hear is the truth.
 

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Could it? possibly. The thing is the one study that kicked off the entire craze was found to be completely baseless. So the entire concept of a link between autism/vaccines was started with a complete falsehood, thats the problem, why do people believe this, when the whole basis for that belief has been proven to be false.



When someone can tell me WHY scientifically vaccines cause autism. I'll start believing. Hell if you can tell me anything that is scientifically proven to cause autism period, id love to hear it.





as someone else mentioned correlation is not causation.





I can certainly see why parents are anti vaccine though. They are looking for answers, they feel helpless and that just happens to be what they latched on to. I mean if I had a kid and it had a disability or disease I know I'd want answers. Even if it was "it is just random" but they really have no answers on autism.
 

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I can certainly see why parents are anti vaccine though. They are looking for answers, they feel helpless and that just happens to be what they latched on to. I mean if I had a kid and it had a disability or disease I know I'd want answers. Even if it was "it is just random" but they really have no answers on autism.

yep - well said.
 

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