PHILOSOPHY THREAD

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Inspired by the evolution/sentience thread, I thought it might be interesting to get all philosophical speculations and musing in one thread.



What is the nature of reality?

What is consciousness?

Can we be sure that we exist?

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?



I for one enjoy to occasionally spend time on thinking these profound questions and already the ability to do so is quite remarkable and fascinates me to no end.
 

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The recent developments the scientific study of reality has raised some interesting questions in regards to what is real and what is really going on. When looking deep into the sub-atomic world it turns out that there is really no particles, only relationships between forces, so in essence it could be argued we don't exist at all and all this is an illusion. We are mostly made out of empty space and removing the empty space that surrounds the atoms, the whole human race would be compressed to the size of a sugarcube. How is that the same atoms that make out the surrounding world has come together and created conscious beings? Will science ever solve the riddle of consciousness or will it forever elude us? What the hell is going on?
 

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What is the nature of reality?



I don't really know. If you're talking about physical reality, then reality is substance. And substance, combined in different ways produces everything else.







What is consciousness?



I don't really know. This one is too tricky.



Can we be sure that we exist?



I think so.





What came first, the chicken or the egg?




This is a nonsense question...





If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?




Yes. There is matter, striking other matter. There is air. There is sound. If it happened on the moon there would be no sound.
 

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What is the nature of reality?



It is as you perceive. Whatever form it is, that is your reality.



What is consciousness?



What happens when I am awake.



Can we be sure that we exist?



Yes.



What came first, the chicken or the egg?



Chicken. Actually, the answer to that query is also in the bible. Genesis 1:20-22. That's if you follow the bible anyway.



If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?



You bet it does. Sound is nothing more then vibration. A tree falling cause great vibrations, therefore, yes, it makes sound.
 

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What is the nature of reality?

Reality is the domain of perception.

What is consciousness?

Consciousness is the manifestation of perception.

Can we be sure that we exist?

We can only be sure that ourselves exist since we percieve. We cannot be sure that others exist because they could be manifestations of our perception and not alternate perceptions.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

The egg. Since the genetic carryover from one close-specie to another close-specie happens when the sperm and egg become a zygote and therefore contains a distinct genetic make-up, both quasi-chickens (likely Indian Junglefowl), which were both not quite total chickens, produced an egg that indeed became a chicken.

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

If we define "a sound" as a pressure wave, then yes--the tree made a sound--the presure wave existed even though we couldn't preceive it. If we define "a sound" as a percieved pressure wave, then no.
 

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In the words of Descartes, "I think, therefore I am". The only thing you can be truly sure of, is your own existence. Although I don't believe that to be the case, as I have no reason to. (the part about only trusting that I exist) That was kind of what made the first Matrix so cool, was how it really tackled that subject. Although, the whole cool philosophical part went to shit in the subsequent films.
 

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To the tree falling in the forest question, my stance is that if no one is there to hear it then there is no sound. The physical manifestation of "sound" exists, but it only becomes a sound if there is someone that interprets the fluctuating air pressure to what we perceive as sound.
 

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To the tree falling in the forest question, my stance is that if no one is there to hear it then there is no sound. The physical manifestation of "sound" exists, but it only becomes a sound if there is someone that interprets the fluctuating air pressure to what we perceive as sound.

So by your interpretation then, when a HAM operator who is transmitting in the HF band, starts transmitting (every indication on his trransmitter indicates he is putting out a transmission) yet no one replies to him, he really isnt transmitting?
 

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To the tree falling in the forest question, my stance is that if no one is there to hear it then there is no sound. The physical manifestation of "sound" exists, but it only becomes a sound if there is someone that interprets the fluctuating air pressure to what we perceive as sound.





Physiologically speaking, it would only make an auditory sound if someone in earshot hears it, otherwise it makes a noise....





however...that fallen tree could break the ground in such a way that a narrow passage of water is created, and if near a large body of water, it would indeed create a sound.



or...a deaf person could have seen the tree fall and know that it gave the appearance of being (sounding) strange in the way it fell.
 

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It really is the simple answers that make the most sense.



Perhaps the smartest thing ever written on these boards.
 

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She isn't talking about booze, although that totally makes sense.



She is talking about a skin care product called philosophy. I believe it to be either a moisturizer or a scrub.
 

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Physiologically speaking, it would only make an auditory sound if someone in earshot hears it, otherwise it makes a noise....





however...that fallen tree could break the ground in such a way that a narrow passage of water is created, and if near a large body of water, it would indeed create a sound.



or...a deaf person could have seen the tree fall and know that it gave the appearance of being (sounding) strange in the way it fell.



What is the difference between a "sound" and "noise"? The main philosophical riddle is, does something exist if it is not perceived? Would the tree even exist if no one is there to see it? Common sense says that of course the unobserved world exists, but this isn't about common sense, it's about metaphysics.
 

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What is the difference between a "sound" and "noise"? The main philosophical riddle is, does something exist if it is not perceived? Would the tree even exist if no one is there to see it? Common sense says that of course the unobserved world exists, but this isn't about common sense, it's about metaphysics.





Sound has many meanings as I presented and so did bubblehead. I used meanings that would still fit the context of your sentence.



Noise and Sound are both physics terms that are acceptable for the question posed and the context of the sentence. I throw out noise as it is the more classical physics term used around the time of that question's popularity in the mid-late 1800's.



To ask if the tree even exists if no one is there to see it is just drunken "waxing philosophical", a parlor trick of conversation if you will, as in the context of the sentence, the use of a stating a tree falling infers that the tree exists. In any language, context is king for the definition of the any word used in that sentence....no matter how much people would like it to be different.



And yes I know the history of that question, and really while interesting, it is very flawed as it expects people to take the question out of context and infer, which is what makes it a parlor trick of language. In other words, to infer anything different than the sentence presented is would mean the sentence needs more qualification and less assumption. (i.e., to ask if the tree exists would further qualification to help infer such).
 

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The reality of the is that their is none, it's it contorted by man and man alone. The more you try to explain it the farther from truth you get.
 

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