Please move Tyrus in the offseason

[Newskoolbulls]

Brad Miller Passmaster wrote:

It would be absolute madness to pick up Baby in favor of Thomas, regardless of his flaws. Come on guys - realize who you're talking about....BIG BABY. BIG BABY.

The guy is GARBAGE.

Thomas can be a game changer when his head is in and he is in. Unfortunately, Vinny Del Idiot didn't give him enough of a chance to be either of those things coming down to it tonight (or really at all during the playoffs). I realize Thomas has the brain of a brick and will probably never be even a tenth of what his natural abilities would allow him to be but let's all take a deep breath before we start talking about BIG BABY any further.

With Tyrus Thomas its always the coaches fault right? 3 coaches lmao. This has nothing to do with Big baby, this has to do with the lack of consistency with a guy who is going into his 4th year.

 

[Jamfan]

Didn't Big Baby outplay Tyrus in this series? Yes.

 

[Hendu0520]

You guys are crazy. Big Baby sucks, the only reason he did well was because he played 40 minutes everygame and had a lot of confidence because he knew he couldn't come out. Not to mention he felt comfortable playing against his best friend, Tyrus. Also Thomas and Noah are skinny which suited Big Baby just fine.

The only way you trade Tyrus is if you get something like Bosh. Not Amare, not Big Baby, maybe Perkins but why would they do that? And yes you can blame the coaches for not being risk takers, you think Phil would have pulled Tyrus and never gone with him at the 3 while our team is getting pushed around inside. Those 3 really 2 coaches (you can't count Boylan as a coach.) never tried different things with him, they are all scared and conservative. You really think Tyrus couldn't have helped while Miller was all alone in there tonight, that was driving me nuts. Just because the 3 guard lineup has been working nicely, doesn't mean you stick with it every game all the time. We were getting destroyed, not to mention how you can't find time for The Only Bull To Lead a Statistical Category in The Playoffs. Tyrus led the entire league in blocks during the playoffs and played a lot less minutes than the other leaders. C'mon we can't trade him for nothing, everyone should calm down.

 

[B1LLIONAIREKR3W]

Your right. i think every one is over reacting. tyrus is a type of player you would trade if you trade ben for someone like bosh.

 

[Jamfan]

If you think Big Baby sucks then Tyrus Thomas must really suck because Baby clearly outplayed Tyrus in this series.

 

[Hendu0520]

Big Baby barely outplayed him and tomorrow when I break down the numbers I doubt he actually outplayed Tyrus. Big Baby played more minutes and I just explained why this series was perfect for him. Wait till the Orlando series and see if you are still saying that Big Baby is better than Tyrus. One series does not a player make.

 

[Hendu0520]

TT: 29.7 mpg 10.5 ppg 6.5 rpg 3 blkpg .83 spg .7 apg 1.67 topg

BB: 43.2 mpg 18.7 ppg 7.5 rpg 1 blkpg 1.5 spg 2.5 apg 1.3 topg

To me Big Baby only outplayed Tyrus because of minutes. 1 more rebound? less blocks? I'll take Tyrus any day.

 

[Hendu0520]

oh and Big Baby did shoot better 47% to 43% for Tyrus, but overall I think Tyrus is about the same type of shooter as Baby if not better he just was off probably from sitting. There ft% are about the same.

 

[Shakes]

Look at the assists and turnovers too. BB played well as part of their offense, Tyrus basically hit a few jumpers and not much else. The numbers also don't show the number of excellent (if occasionally illegal) screens BB set. Getting around someone that size is tough, and Boston really were able to take advantage of that.

The raw rebounding numbers also don't show that BB got 25 offensive rebounds to Tyrus' 8.

 

[dougthonus]

I'd forget about big baby. He only really played well when we were devoting insane amount of attention to other players leaving him wide open. We abused him defensively at times in the series as well.

I understand the "get rid of Tyrus" sentiment, but don't get rid of him for Davis, you won't be any better for it and will in fact be quite a bit worse.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Next season I would like to see Tyrus in a Bulls dress again. He is so athletic and that´s why he is so a great shot blocker. Also I don´t think that we will get a good big man for the next season.

So I hope the Bulls keep Tyrus. But Gordon of course is more important.

 

[TheStig]

TT seems like a good bench player at this point. He isn't very consistent but he can come in and give you something special on any given day. If TT can work on getting that jumper consistent, get stronger and stay in postion better, he will be a starter. Till then Miller and Noah should start and TT should come in for one of them.

 

[AirP]

dougthonus wrote:

I'd forget about big baby. He only really played well when we were devoting insane amount of attention to other players leaving him wide open. We abused him defensively at times in the series as well.

I understand the "get rid of Tyrus" sentiment, but don't get rid of him for Davis, you won't be any better for it and will in fact be quite a bit worse.

I think now would be a great time to remind people how our now very own Jerome James and a few others got "overpaid". It took just one set of playoffs for a team to decide that's who this person really was, not all the games before that. Big Baby was just "hot" for this series for the most part, but he was a big factor hitting all those jumpers all series long. He shot well over his FG% in this series.

 

[Wade Wilson]

Tyrus really tanked his trade value with this series. He definitely got outplayed by Big Baby, and he didn't play with the type of energy a guy like him should. Big Baby's big series isn't totally on Tyrus though, the defensive strategy the Bulls employed led to him constantly getting open jumpers or mismatches on guards inside. It's gonna look worse next round when he comes back to earth and looks like the bench player he really is.

I do think, however that Tyrus should have played more, as Miller really struggled at times in the series, and Vinny essentially let him become his Duhon, his security blanket guy that he rode too much.

 

[anorexorcist]

I'll say just one thing, had Tyrus been in at the end of the game 5 instead of Miller, the Bulls would ahve won this series.

Agh, i came here to get away from all the Tyrus bashing, and I come here and it's the same thing.

Sure, we should trade him for Bosh, but I still wouldn't trade him for Amare and quite frankly, Vinny didn't put him in during the game when he should have. Kelly Dwyer from yahoo sports really breaks down why we lost this game and the series, Tyrus wasn't on the court enough:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ba...ton-moves-on?urn=nba,160765#remaining-content

Not with Tyrus Thomas on the bench, pulling in more rebounds (five) than his replacement "power forward" (John Salmons) did in 42 minutes. I don't care if Thomas makes mistakes. I don't care if he takes possessions off. I don't care if the Bulls should have drafted Brandon Roy or LaMarcus Aldridge. Thomas' flighty, typical play is still better than an injured shooting guard having to play power forward in a Game 7 on the road.
The stats for Thomas are modest, though pretty solid per-minute. Four points, five rebounds, two blocks, two steals, two assists, one turnover in about 17 minutes. That's not the point. The point is that you need a power forward out there to cover the rim. To rebound. To play his role. You don't ask Salmons or Rose or Gordon or Hinrich to try that out. Not in any playoff game, much less this one.

 

[Ralphb07]

Here's my thinking on this. I would try and replace Tyrus which Bosh,Amare,West,Boozer or Jamison. You would think we can land one of them. I wasn't so sure about Milsap but Duck talked me into it so I would include him as well.

Now if we can get any of those players we should keep Tyrus but add depth around him. I would go for Powe or Bass and either one would bring better offense and are still young with nice size. Let them battle Tyrus for the starting spot and if he beats them out that's fine but at least we got nice back up that can help. With that I would also add a PF like Patterson or Blair through the draft.

Tyrus played well and this was his 1st full season so we gotta be smart but like I said if we could land Boozer,Bosh,Amare,West,Jamison or Milsap you do it in a heartbeat.

 

[engies]

I do like your idea Ralph007. I think you could get a semi-decent PF and see who can battle it out to start & maybe have em split minutes or decide who to keep. I also agree with who you should trade him for if you can. Most likely though it wont happen sadly.....lets just hope it does or Thomas continues to improve, mainly on the non statistical side of the game

Stats wise Tyrus has some good stats

Its the non-statistical things that he isnt doing that makes him a negative on this team, the things your PF should do, such as set good screens, box out, stay near the rim for the rebound, take shots in his range (he takes some way outside his range), makes some pretty looking yet out of control moves that just dont seem to work.

That being said he still has a chance to work on these things but if he still looks the same next season its time to waive the white flag on him. However, that being said you dont trade him for nothing. If we got him for Milsap I'd be extremely happy, which as much as some thing its far fetched, could happen if we threw in other players & if they decide to keep Boozer.

 

[collisrost]

I think this is a make or break offseason for Tyrus. Whether we keep him or trade him for a star over the summer, he needs to work on the right things this summer in order to really have an impact in the league. He's got to get stronger, work on his jump shot some more, but especially work on driving by people who come out to contest his jumper so he can dunk the ball. He's got all the tools, this is his last chance in my mind to prove his worth.

 

[Ralphb07]

engies wrote:

I do like your idea Ralph007. I think you could get a semi-decent PF and see who can battle it out to start & maybe have em split minutes or decide who to keep. I also agree with who you should trade him for if you can. Most likely though it wont happen sadly.....lets just hope it does or Thomas continues to improve, mainly on the non statistical side of the game

Stats wise Tyrus has some good stats

Its the non-statistical things that he isnt doing that makes him a negative on this team, the things your PF should do, such as set good screens, box out, stay near the rim for the rebound, take shots in his range (he takes some way outside his range), makes some pretty looking yet out of control moves that just dont seem to work.

That being said he still has a chance to work on these things but if he still looks the same next season its time to waive the white flag on him. However, that being said you dont trade him for nothing. If we got him for Milsap I'd be extremely happy, which as much as some thing its far fetched, could happen if we threw in other players & if they decide to keep Boozer.

Yeah Tyrus/Bass or Tyrus/Powe would be a nice combo.

 

[PJ Brown]

My attitude is that you're definitely willing to trade Tyrus but that you don't just dump him. It doesn't make any sense to trade him in a lateral move based on his athletic upside and with one year left on the rookie deal. I'd throw him into a package that nets a better big, happily, but if that sort of deal isn't there, I don't see harm in holding onto him to see how he fares next year. All in all, this was a much improved season for him.

If it doesn't pan out, you can let him go as a restricted or s/t to a goofy team that will bite on his upside.