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[brett05]

And exactly HOW do you know this? Please enlighten us all

Do you follow baseball outside of boards like this? You know following the guys that get paid to report on these things? Really?

 

[Raskolnikov]

I am for sure in the wait and see approach, I'll believe these cracker jacks can assemble a team when I see it.

 

[The Hawk]

Do you follow baseball outside of boards like this? You know following the guys that get paid to report on these things? Really?

Sure I do. I also know quite a bit about how the draft works, what scouts do and don't do, etc. I won't bore the board with my resume but suffice it to say is that I do know quite a bit about baseball. I find you pretty much to be insulting to those who have the audacity to disagree with you as in your silly little "trade proposal" for another message board member. All because I have the so-called audacity to disagree with your belief about the quality of their owner. To me, that is the mark of immaturity on your part, sorry to say. So instead of arguing substance, you become petty.

But back to the situation about "Q", absolutely there were reports pretty early into his struggles in April and May about how this might effect his anticipated TRADE VALUE. Hell, even in mid-June some analysts talked about his stats reducing his trade "value" in addition to talk about how he had appeared to have righted his ship. Yet you adopted a know-it-all response as if no smart person questioned his stats.

 

[The Hawk]

I am for sure in the wait and see approach, I'll believe these cracker jacks can assemble a team when I see it.

As am I. I kind of also think that Reinny kind of under-cut Hahn in his good effort to build a team after Hahn did a wonderful job to sign four all star quality studs like Abreau, Sales, "Q", and Garcia to very cost effective long term deals. Hahn never got the really good recognition from those efforts and now Reinny pulls the rug right out from under him with the forced sale of "Q" and Chris Sales.

By the way, do you think that this cheap shit won't get noticed across the league if and when they want to sign their younger players to the same kind of contracts? It will not happen that easily and nor will the destination of choice for free agents being the Chicago White Sox unless Reinny retires and puts someone in place who cares and is willing to do smart things to build a quality team.

 

[The Hawk]

So who is going to go out and watch the White Sox team next year and beyond? I assume that Frazier will be gone and so will Robertson and Cabrera. The 2018 "team" will have maybe two 3A position guys who MAY be ready to play at the major league level in Moncada and Roberts. Don't see any other non pitching guy ready to play and the pitchers always are a crap-shoot in addition. So no closer and possibly not even having their present set-up guy move into the closer job because they are talking about trading him also.

I am talking about one of the worst potential teams that the White Sox have ever fielded next year. Pitiful. And Reinny will whine and ***** about his "disloyal" fans.

 

[brett05]

Sure I do. I also know quite a bit about how the draft works, what scouts do and don't do, etc. I won't bore the board with my resume but suffice it to say is that I do know quite a bit about baseball. I find you pretty much to be insulting to those who have the audacity to disagree with you as in your silly little "trade proposal" for another message board member. All because I have the so-called audacity to disagree with your belief about the quality of their owner. To me, that is the mark of immaturity on your part, sorry to say. So instead of arguing substance, you become petty.

The irony.

But back to the situation about "Q", absolutely there were reports pretty early into his struggles in April and May about how this might effect his anticipated TRADE VALUE.

Yes by fans as I have already said.

Hell, even in mid-June some analysts talked about his stats reducing his trade "value" in addition to talk about how he had appeared to have righted his ship. Yet you adopted a know-it-all response as if no smart person questioned his stats.

They didn't question. They rightly pointed out that he's pitching every bit as dominant, actually more dominant then his career norms. People were going to have to pay for Q and the reports (by fans no less) were grossly exaggerated.

But stick to your narrative. I wouldn't want the irony to stop.

 

[brett05]

As am I. I kind of also think that Reinny kind of under-cut Hahn in his good effort to build a team after Hahn did a wonderful job to sign four all star quality studs like Abreau, Sales, "Q", and Garcia to very cost effective long term deals.

You misspelled Kenny Williams.


Hahn never got the really good recognition from those efforts and now Reinny pulls the rug right out from under him with the forced sale of "Q" and Chris Sales.

By the way, do you think that this cheap (stuff) won't get noticed across the league if and when they want to sign their younger players to the same kind of contracts? It will not happen that easily and nor will the destination of choice for free agents being the Chicago White Sox unless Reinny retires and puts someone in place who cares and is willing to do smart things to build a quality team.

And this has already been proven wrong with Robert taking less to come to us. Don't stop now boys. Keep trying to feed your hatred boys.

 

[brett05]

I am talking about one of the worst potential teams that the White Sox have ever fielded next year. Pitiful. And Reinny will whine and ***** about his "disloyal" fans.

Attendance the same this year as it has been in 2016 and 2015. And ahead of 2014. Looks like the fans are buying into the rebuild and supporting the process. Don't stop now, let the hate flow thru you.

 

[The Hawk]

Typical Brett. I guess he doesn't know that people watch the same sports guys that he watches. Hey, Brett, your basically ignoring the FACT that sports reporters DID mention a potential loss in "Q"s value and not just "fans" like you allege. You are just wrong and you will not admit it.

 

[The Hawk]

You misspelled Kenny Williams.


Hahn never got the really good recognition from those efforts and now Reinny pulls the rug right out from under him with the forced sale of "Q" and Chris Sales.


And this has already been proven wrong with Robert taking less to come to us. Don't stop now boys. Keep trying to feed your hatred boys.

What hatred, Brett? People disagree with you and you insult them. That is the truth. Rask is a pretty smart baseball guy from what I have read in his what-if scenarios and he is some-kind of a hater?

You know, Brett, I remember you question why people do not come to this forum. Perhaps you yourself ought to take a look at how you handle yourself in your dialogue. All people are entitled to their view yet in your shallow mind, they are considered "Haters" if they disagree with you. Why?

 

[The Hawk]

Attendance the same this year as it has been in 2016 and 2015. And ahead of 2014. Looks like the fans are buying into the rebuild and supporting the process. Don't stop now, let the hate flow thru you.

I am talking about the finality of the tank job that the Sox are doing now and the fact of a pathetic team on the field. IF Reinny was smart(which he clearly is not) he would cut ticket prices in half at least since it is going to be a 2A-3A product on the field. Also, Brett, what happens If these prospects do not deliver as promised? Then what happens? Think that one through.

Two shitty owners, three shitty teams. The Reinny's and McCaskey's.

 

[Raskolnikov]

gotta like Moncada, Anderson, Abreu, Robert, Eloy Jiminez potential though. Looks like a core to me. Most of those will be up here sooner than we think, if not all by next season.

 

[brett05]

What hatred, Brett? People disagree with you and you insult them. That is the truth. Rask is a pretty smart baseball guy from what I have read in his what-if scenarios and he is some-kind of a hater?

You know, Brett, I remember you question why people do not come to this forum. Perhaps you yourself ought to take a look at how you handle yourself in your dialogue. All people are entitled to their view yet in your shallow mind, they are considered "Haters" if they disagree with you. Why?

Can you speak on baseball intelligently or not? You can start my admitting how wrong you have been in this thread.

 

[brett05]

what happens If these prospects do not deliver as promised?

cutting thru your posts to the substance, this is a fair question. What happens if the specs all fail? You try something else. Exactly what they are doing instead of sticking with the same plan they have for years for which you and Rask want them to continue to do and for some reason you expect different results. That says it all right there.

 

[brett05]

gotta like Moncada, Anderson, Abreu, Robert, Eloy Jiminez potential though. Looks like a core to me. Most of those will be up here sooner than we think, if not all by next season.

Looks like you're coming around to the plan. I hope they perform well. Next year a bit early, but we should begin to see things turn slightly in the talent pool with the biggest turn happening in 2019.

 

[Diehardfan]

I am talking about the finality of the tank job that the Sox are doing now and the fact of a pathetic team on the field. IF Reinny was smart(which he clearly is not) he would cut ticket prices in half at least since it is going to be a 2A-3A product on the field. Also, Brett, what happens If these prospects do not deliver as promised? Then what happens? Think that one through.

Two shitty owners, three shitty teams. The Reinny's and McCaskey's.

It doesn't take a whole lot of thinking, Hawk. What happens is that nothing changes....everything will be the same that it has been for the last 10 years. Throwing shit to the wind while trying to win every year at any cost wasn't working...hasn't in 10 years. It was time to go in another direction. Look, I'm not a metrics numbers guy....I only know what I see. I haven't seen all of these guys but I've seen a few of them and the ones I've seen look like the real deal and leads me believe that Hahn knows what he's doing. It's doubtful that they hit a HR on as many as the Cubs, but even if they don't they have built their farm system into one of baseball's best. Not a small accomplishment and one that should serve them well for many years. I have a buddy who openly cheers every Sox win on Facebook. It drives me crazy...I keep telling him that every win is like a knife in their hearts. They are going nowhere this year and the higher you draft the less chance you have on making a mistake in the first round. The top 5 is where you find the Kris Bryants of the world. That's where they need to be.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Looks like you're coming around to the plan. I hope they perform well. Next year a bit early, but we should begin to see things turn slightly in the talent pool with the biggest turn happening in 2019.

yeah, and also there is a reason you can pull top ten prospects with cost controlled #1 and #2 pitchers. I don't have delusions we will have such a great opportunity to spend money and make the playoffs and once you are there with 2 hot pitchers anything can happen.

I still would have gone the other way and filled around those guys for 2 years, and THEN traded them.

 

[brett05]

Rask,

I love your heart put the plan you laid out was not possible.

If we keep being the king of pitching development, we'll have no problems eventually landing the hitting. We have a great start to it in the minors now.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Rask,

I love your heart put the plan you laid out was not possible.

If we keep being the king of pitching development, we'll have no problems eventually landing the hitting. We have a great start to it in the minors now.

It could be 30 years before you have 2 pitchers like that again, you gotta go all in.

 

[The Hawk]

Can you speak on baseball intelligently or not? You can start my admitting how wrong you have been in this thread.

See. You just did it again. You don't want to opine and then argue. You just want to opine and then we all should blindly follow your dictates. Didn't know that you got appointed the leader of this forum and also the decider of who is or is not right about anything. Did you self appoint yourself, Brett? I don't recall a vote on this subject. BTW, I know my credentials regarding the sport of baseball. What are yours? Please impress us all with your breath of knowledge on the subject because somehow it just hasn't come through to date in your missives thus far