Raiders tried to trade for Mack before free agency

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Vic Tafur of The Athletic wrote an article that states the Raiders contacted the Bears prior to free agency to see if they could re-acquire Mack. He does not mention what the offer contained.
 

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“The Raiders have had a glaring need for a proven pass rusher since trading Mack to the Chicago Bears nearly three years ago and when free agency opened in March, they targeted and planned to sign Yannick Ngakoue.

But before they did, they made a phone call, league sources said.

Would the Bears be interested at all in trading Mack back to the Raiders?

The Bears had significant salary-cap issues — which forced them to release All-Pro cornerback Kyle Fuller and restructure several contracts — and the Raiders thought it was worth a shot. The Bears were not interested, sources said, and the Raiders went ahead and signed Ngakoue to a two-year, $26 million contract.”
 

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Do they want Robert Quinn???
They do run a 4-3 but I doubt they want an overrated player with a bloated contract
 

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They do run a 4-3 but I doubt they want an overrated player with a bloated contract
Raiders backed out of contract talks in free agency with him in 2020 when they realized he had a potentially harmful foot condition
 

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They're going to need to start looking for an exit plan for Mack sooner rather than later.

Who knows what the Raiders would've offered, so who knows if it would've been worth it pre-this season. If the Bears were going to trade Mack, it would only make sense this year. In the coming years, barring a restructuring, it just becomes way too punitive to absorb his current contract.

Next year is the first year that Mack's cap hit vs. dead cap isn't insanely upside-down.

For the 2022 season, he's got a $30 million cap hit (yikes!) and a $24 million dead cap, for a $6 mil savings if they release him before next season.

For 2023, he's got a $28.5 million cap hit and an $11.6 million dead cap, giving $17 mil in savings and a huge incentive to offload him before then.


For my money, I think Mack is gone by next year, especially if he has a fairly pedestrian year this year. I don't see much incentive on keeping him around.


While we're talking defensive mainstays, Hicks' contract expires after this year. I know his agent has been at Halas Hall trying to work something out. He'll be 33 years old next season. I wouldn't expect Hicks to be back either, unless they can get him fairly cheap. I suppose it'll come to down to what other folks are willing to give a 33-year-old interior defensive lineman.
 

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Good thing Pace threw money at him!

It's like he didn't learn from the Pernell McPhee issue in 2015. Ravens willingly let him walk because of his knee but Pace signs him to a big contract.
 

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It's like he didn't learn from the Pernell McPhee issue in 2015. Ravens willingly let him walk because of his knee but Pace signs him to a big contract.
Pace's MO is to continually overpay and overdraft injured players because he has the rare jackpot like Eddie Jackson. He is like those people that site that one time they won $1000, the free room and comps and claim that they are money ahead as to why they repeatedly go to the casino.
 

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Mack isn't going anywhere unless this year is a 3-14/5-12 type of year.
 

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They're going to need to start looking for an exit plan for Mack sooner rather than later.

Who knows what the Raiders would've offered, so who knows if it would've been worth it pre-this season. If the Bears were going to trade Mack, it would only make sense this year. In the coming years, barring a restructuring, it just becomes way too punitive to absorb his current contract.

Next year is the first year that Mack's cap hit vs. dead cap isn't insanely upside-down.

For the 2022 season, he's got a $30 million cap hit (yikes!) and a $24 million dead cap, for a $6 mil savings if they release him before next season.

For 2023, he's got a $28.5 million cap hit and an $11.6 million dead cap, giving $17 mil in savings and a huge incentive to offload him before then.


For my money, I think Mack is gone by next year, especially if he has a fairly pedestrian year this year. I don't see much incentive on keeping him around.


While we're talking defensive mainstays, Hicks' contract expires after this year. I know his agent has been at Halas Hall trying to work something out. He'll be 33 years old next season. I wouldn't expect Hicks to be back either, unless they can get him fairly cheap. I suppose it'll come to down to what other folks are willing to give a 33-year-old interior defensive lineman.
I kind of wonder if Rosenhaus showed up to talk Hicks contract and hope the front office was uninterested because they have more important contracts to extend such as Nichols, arob, roquan and potentially Daniels. Hicks would be nice to have back at a team friendly rate, but im sure he's not doing that
 

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I kind of wonder if Rosenhaus showed up to talk Hicks contract and hope the front office was uninterested because they have more important contracts to extend such as Nichols, arob, roquan and potentially Daniels. Hicks would be nice to have back at a team friendly rate, but im sure he's not doing that

I am probably gonna get roasted for this but I was an advocate for cutting Hicks in the offseason. I think, well I don't think, he is on the down slope of his career and he's not the same player he was 2 years ago. I really wanted a DT in the 3rd (before the trade for Icy Hot).
 

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I am probably gonna get roasted for this but I was an advocate for cutting Hicks in the offseason. I think, well I don't think, he is on the down slope of his career and he's not the same player he was 2 years ago. I really wanted a DT in the 3rd (before the trade for Icy Hot).
I'd like to keep him around, but the cap number is too high. Between his age, position, and injury history we can't keep paying at the current rate. Hopefully he understands (assuming Pace does) and takes a cheaper contract.

If he is taking less of the cap he doesn't need to be out there every down.

On the plus side, Tonga looks good in what little we have seen. If he can take a little of the load that can only help Hicks stay healthy.
 

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I'd like to keep him around, but the cap number is too high. Between his age, position, and injury history we can't keep paying at the current rate. Hopefully he understands (assuming Pace does) and takes a cheaper contract.

If he is taking less of the cap he doesn't need to be out there every down.

On the plus side, Tonga looks good in what little we have seen. If he can take a little of the load that can only help Hicks stay healthy.
They play different positions, Tonga is a NT. Hicks is a DE/DT
 

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I am probably gonna get roasted for this but I was an advocate for cutting Hicks in the offseason. I think, well I don't think, he is on the down slope of his career and he's not the same player he was 2 years ago. I really wanted a DT in the 3rd (before the trade for Icy Hot).
Roasted for what exactly? Guy is on a fast decline should be looking for replacement not keeping him around. This is why we are in bad cap space situation. Guys like trevethian are given extensions when it’s time to walk away
 

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