Raiders tried to trade for Mack before free agency

[Warrior Spirit]

Is it safe to say that the Bears won that trade now?

No. What has he done for them? Fans, here, have spent as much time making excuses for him as they have for past crap Bears' QBs

This article could be complete BS anyway. Bears not even in a position to trade him this past off-season as it would leave them with an incredibly high dead cap. So despite the article hinting the Bears should have been more willing to trade him cause they were in cap hell, the trade would have made the cap problem way worse.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

have you seen what Mack's contract looks like?

You have to pay your stars they don’t play for free. Allot of the bloat you see is pace restructuring every year to add bad free agents to the team. Has nothing to do with the original contract.

 

[Montucky]

No way of knowing for sure but id guess they are playoff-less. Fired? ehhhh. The past couple years have shown that this organization is way more incompetent than I've ever given them credit for.

Mack is a great player but the Bears did give up a lot. 2 1sts on top of a massive contract that made him the highest paid defensive player ever(at that time). Thats not how you build a winning roster. The move was a double down on Pace thinking Mitch was that dude and that Mack would have been the missing piece to get the D to do their part(they did) but the rest of his bets massively flopped.

They pushed all their chips in to win it all in 2018 with the best overall roster in the sport. They had the best overall roster but their quarterback wasn't very good and their kicker clanged their chance at making a run off the upright. I get the rationale behind the Mack trade, but when you go all in like that you're gonna pay for it later.

Now we're in the phase where we eat a little shit. Still, sounds like the Raiders offered a lifeline and the Bears refused, which is annoying not gonna lie.

 

[Anytime23]

They pushed all their chips in to win it all in 2018 with the best overall roster in the sport. They had the best overall roster but their quarterback wasn't very good and their kicker clanged their chance at making a run off the upright. I get the rationale behind the Mack trade, but when you go all in like that you're gonna pay for it later.

Now we're in the phase where we eat a little shit. Still, sounds like the Raiders offered a lifeline and the Bears refused, which is annoying not gonna lie.

You really think they had the best overall roster in the NFL?

 

[Montucky]

You really think they had the best overall roster in the NFL?

In 2018? Yeah I reckon so. They were stacked at almost every position. That was the year even Charles Leno Jr. and Bobbie Massie represented a very competent pair of tackles.

They just had a mediocre quarterback and a headcase disaster of a kicker.

 

[Anytime23]

In 2018? Yeah I reckon so. They were stacked at almost every position. That was the year even Charles Leno Jr. and Bobbie Massie represented a very competent pair of tackles.

They just had a mediocre quarterback and a headcase disaster of a kicker.

Meh. I think it was more of a lightning in a bottle season rather than a great roster. Lot of improved individual performances that didn't carry over. Not a ton of adversity outside of the K being shit and the Eddie Jackson injury late in the season.

Their TE situation was no good. They had one good WR. RB was just a guy. I think Mack elevated the play of a lot of guys on defense.

 

[PrideisBears]

In 2018? Yeah I reckon so. They were stacked at almost every position. That was the year even Charles Leno Jr. and Bobbie Massie represented a very competent pair of tackles.

They just had a mediocre quarterback and a headcase disaster of a kicker.

And an incompetent coach

 

[roadwarrior_joe]

They're going to need to start looking for an exit plan for Mack sooner rather than later.

Who knows what the Raiders would've offered, so who knows if it would've been worth it pre-this season. If the Bears were going to trade Mack, it would only make sense this year. In the coming years, barring a restructuring, it just becomes way too punitive to absorb his current contract.

Next year is the first year that Mack's cap hit vs. dead cap isn't insanely upside-down.

For the 2022 season, he's got a $30 million cap hit (yikes!) and a $24 million dead cap, for a $6 mil savings if they release him before next season.

For 2023, he's got a $28.5 million cap hit and an $11.6 million dead cap, giving $17 mil in savings and a huge incentive to offload him before then.


For my money, I think Mack is gone by next year, especially if he has a fairly pedestrian year this year. I don't see much incentive on keeping him around.


While we're talking defensive mainstays, Hicks' contract expires after this year. I know his agent has been at Halas Hall trying to work something out. He'll be 33 years old next season. I wouldn't expect Hicks to be back either, unless they can get him fairly cheap. I suppose it'll come to down to what other folks are willing to give a 33-year-old interior defensive lineman.

If both Hicks and Mac are gone next year then the hope is so is Pace and Nagy. Then the team can go into full blown rebuild under new management with Fields, Smith, and a few other young guys being the core to build around.

BTW those $ numbers on Mac…….wow

 

[pablovi]

They're going to need to start looking for an exit plan for Mack sooner rather than later.

Who knows what the Raiders would've offered, so who knows if it would've been worth it pre-this season. If the Bears were going to trade Mack, it would only make sense this year. In the coming years, barring a restructuring, it just becomes way too punitive to absorb his current contract.

Next year is the first year that Mack's cap hit vs. dead cap isn't insanely upside-down.

For the 2022 season, he's got a $30 million cap hit (yikes!) and a $24 million dead cap, for a $6 mil savings if they release him before next season.

For 2023, he's got a $28.5 million cap hit and an $11.6 million dead cap, giving $17 mil in savings and a huge incentive to offload him before then.


For my money, I think Mack is gone by next year, especially if he has a fairly pedestrian year this year. I don't see much incentive on keeping him around.


While we're talking defensive mainstays, Hicks' contract expires after this year. I know his agent has been at Halas Hall trying to work something out. He'll be 33 years old next season. I wouldn't expect Hicks to be back either, unless they can get him fairly cheap. I suppose it'll come to down to what other folks are willing to give a 33-year-old interior defensive lineman.

Yeah, if they have a losing season this year, which is the most likely, they will trade him in the off season, and it’s rebuild time. This will never be a dominant defense again.

 

[pablovi]

Meh. I think it was more of a lightning in a bottle season rather than a great roster. Lot of improved individual performances that didn't carry over. Not a ton of adversity outside of the K being shit and the Eddie Jackson injury late in the season.

Their TE situation was no good. They had one good WR. RB was just a guy. I think Mack elevated the play of a lot of guys on defense.

Not only Mack, Fangio as well, he made Fuller and Jackson had career years.

 

[DC]

Didn't read thread yet, but if the Raiders would have taken Mack, his contract, and given us a 1st round pick I would have absolutely jumped all over that.

Could have used Mack's money for Roquan, Robinson or a good FA OT. Then drafted more support for Fields next year. I'd love to know what was offered.

 

[meangreek]

I think the article is bs, The raiders cap space is not so good either

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

In 2018? Yeah I reckon so. They were stacked at almost every position. That was the year even Charles Leno Jr. and Bobbie Massie represented a very competent pair of tackles.

They just had a mediocre quarterback and a headcase disaster of a kicker.

Reckon? Ok Jed Clampett

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

I am thinking that the BEARs will restructure Mack's contract this year or next to help with the cap

They can’t l they gonna be paying his grandkids they keep this shit up

 

[jooo83]

Roasted for what exactly? Guy is on a fast decline should be looking for replacement not keeping him around. This is why we are in bad cap space situation. Guys like trevethian are given extensions when it’s time to walk away

I was in favor of moving on from Hicks this offseason as well. But no question there were many on this board that acted offended by the suggestion.

 

[Rob219_CBMB]

No. What has he done for them? Fans, here, have spent as much time making excuses for him as they have for past crap Bears' QBs

This article could be complete BS anyway. Bears not even in a position to trade him this past off-season as it would leave them with an incredibly high dead cap. So despite the article hinting the Bears should have been more willing to trade him cause they were in cap hell, the trade would have made the cap problem way worse.

as always some b.s. fluke articles/stories and tea leaves always pops up after bears have a shitty game.

 

[CHIBEAR]

In 2018? Yeah I reckon so. They were stacked at almost every position. That was the year even Charles Leno Jr. and Bobbie Massie represented a very competent pair of tackles.

They just had a mediocre quarterback and a headcase disaster of a kicker.

on defense maybe but on offense HELL NO !!!

even now we have rookie qb with potential the 97th best player in the league and a bunch of guys that some like and some don't but nobody other teams are worried about on offense .

 

[mecha]

Meh. I think it was more of a lightning in a bottle season rather than a great roster. Lot of improved individual performances that didn't carry over. Not a ton of adversity outside of the K being shit and the Eddie Jackson injury late in the season.

Their TE situation was no good. They had one good WR. RB was just a guy. I think Mack elevated the play of a lot of guys on defense.

this.

the old saying is it's better to be lucky than to be good. the Bears luck ran out with that guy with the 52 and 12 year old face... however that one chap described it years ago. the Eagles successfully shit on the Bears heads in the postseason once more.

 

[Midwaymonster75]

Got to wonder who is doing the medical exams for this team or is this chump ignoring them.

Unfortunately you see this type of stuff from time to time from many teams across all pro sports.

 

[Starion]

Sure, they can have him and be the savior. "But I want all my picks back". ALL OF 'EM.
...and throw in Putney. Cause I feel like it".



Such a terrible movie.