Raiders tried to trade for Mack before free agency

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

I'm not against signing guys with possible health issues but you should be signing them for cheap. Not massive deals

Right I’m good with taking flyers on players but pace gets them in on mega contracts

 

[Anytime23]

So does this mean the Bears won the Mack trade? When the Bears played the Raiders in London and lost, a lot of fans turned on Mack and said the Raiders won the trade.

Are the Bears now winning the trade? I just want to stay up to date on who's winning.

 

[gwharris2254]

I am thinking that the BEARs will restructure Mack's contract this year or next to help with the cap

 

[bamainatlanta]

So does this mean the Bears won the Mack trade? When the Bears played the Raiders in London and lost, a lot of fans turned on Mack and said the Raiders won the trade.

Are the Bears now winning the trade? I just want to stay up to date on who's winning.

No the Raiders won the trade based on the elite RB Jacobs who rarely sees the field on 3rd down and needs a dominant OL and their superior winning record since the trade

 

[Anytime23]

No the Raiders won the trade based on the elite RB Jacobs who rarely sees the field on 3rd down and needs a dominant OL and their superior winning record since the trade

But what if Mack has 2 sacks week 1 and Jacobs has no TDs and less then 100 yards rushing? Do the Bears win the trade?

 

[bamainatlanta]

But what if Mack has 2 sacks week 1 and Jacobs has no TDs and less then 100 yards rushing? Do the Bears win the trade?

Absolutely not. They won because of cap space that went to shitty free agent signings and draft picks that haven't panned out.

 

[WookieOnRitalin]

The ultimate difficulty with evaluating the Mack trade is rating the value he brings relative to the value that was given away for him.

Year one? With a doubt. Dude is a DPOY candidate. Worth every cent.

Since then, not so much. Whether that's injury, lack of motivation, changes in coordinators, Mack has not brought the overall LEVEL of impact that justified his overall trade value. Now, keep in mind that football is a team sport that relies on ownership, the front office, and the coaching staff having their act together which they clearly do not.

Pace has made a bunch of blunders that have impacted the Bears overall. He's given up too many top picks for players who have never returned the value.

Considering how many 1s and 2s that Pace has drafted that did not pan out and how many 1s and 2s he has traded away has had a direct impact on the overall talent on this roster. Some of the 1s he traded away were from the Mack trade and it's difficult to project how well those players would have played if we never traded for Mack.

The simple question to ask is if the team is better with Mack or without Mack. That's a gut reaction and I think Mack brought and brings more value than what was given away. The problem with the Mack trade is that Pace is a blundering idiot and this coaching staff has been awful outside of Vic Fangio who was the single greatest hire the Bears have made since hiring Ditka.

This team this year is destined for a 6 win season. I have not seen anything that makes me believe they can win games due to Pace's poor decision making. I am glad we got Fields, but the team is a mess again in depth and in contracts. This team will likely not get better until guys like Quinn and Mack are gone and lord knows if we will ever recoup the value of EJ's contract.

 

[JesusHalasChrist]

No the Raiders won the trade based on the elite RB Jacobs who rarely sees the field on 3rd down and needs a dominant OL and their superior winning record since the trade

That's not even considering the money they saved by not having to pay Mack. Without that savings they might not have been able to afford Vontaze Burfict and Antonio Brown.

 

[bamainatlanta]

That's not even considering the money they saved by not having to pay Mack. Without that savings they might not have been able to afford Vontaze Burfict and Antonio Brown.

They robbed us I tell ya. And then Antonio won the Superbowl too! More evidence that they won the trade

 

[Toast88]

So does this mean the Bears won the Mack trade? When the Bears played the Raiders in London and lost, a lot of fans turned on Mack and said the Raiders won the trade.

Are the Bears now winning the trade? I just want to stay up to date on who's winning.

I think both teams won short-term, and both teams lost long-term.

It is interesting to analyze it through the lens of how much of a difference it ultimately made. Without Mack, do the Bears win the NFC North in 2018? Probably not, right?

Do they still make the playoffs in 2020, since Mack's impact on their record seemed fairly minimal last year, although who really knows?

Without Mack, are Nagy and Pace playoff-less and kicked to the curb by now?

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Mack was just ranked #22 on top 100 players list. I assume that was a mistake and he was actually 222

 

[cdubz11]

Is it safe to say that the Bears won that trade now?

have you seen what Mack's contract looks like?

 

[bamainatlanta]

I think both teams won short-term, and both teams lost long-term.

It is interesting to analyze it through the lens of how much of a difference it ultimately made. Without Mack, do the Bears win the NFC North in 2018? Probably not, right?

Do they still make the playoffs in 2020, since Mack's impact on their record seemed fairly minimal last year, although who really knows?

Without Mack, are Nagy and Pace playoff-less and kicked to the curb by now?

These scenarios aren't what matters; you can only go by what has actually happened and not what might have been. You could make the argument that maybe the Raiders win the AFC with him or the Bears dont get Justin Fields, etc.

What-ifs scenarios are a tireless exercise in futility.

 

[Butkus34]

have you seen what Mack's contract looks like?

Yes

 

[Penny Traitor]

Are the Bears now winning the trade? I just want to stay up to date on who's winning.

No team really wins a trade, so the question is did Kahlil Mack win that trade?

Contract = BIG WIN

National exposure = BIGGER WIN

Coaching staff = PUSH

(I honestly cannot tell who is the bigger douche, Gruden or Nagy)

Playoff wins = PUSH

Uniform = LOSS

( Sorry Bear Nation, but the Raiders have always had my favorite uniform)

Stadium = LOSS

(Yeah it's literally in the desert, but holy hell that stadium looks like the GOAT)

The Bears made him rich and the large market keeps his name all over the press, but the mediocre team is going to keep him from ever getting a better contract than Chicago gave him.

Kahlil wins this trade in the short term, but needs the team to become a serious playoff contender, like NOW, to win this trade in the long term.

(Especially once he sees the way swanky Las Vegas lockrooms later this season)

 

[Unannounced Fart]

Also from the article:



I don't have access to the article, that's just a snippet from Rotoworld.

 

[cdubz11]

tbh Bears should've done anything possible to trade Mack this offseason, who knows maybe they actually are considering it. they should. he's past his prime and has a billion dollars left on his contract still (ok slight exaggeration) but still next 2 years are insane llike $30M/yr. and even 2 yrs from now a $12M dead cap have to eat just to get out of.

if could get a 2nd and 4th or something and a young player, i'd do it in a heartbeat.

ask yourself do you think Belichek would have traded Mack this offseason? 100% absolutely because it's the best decision for your organization and maximizing value out of a guy. get him for a few dominant prime years, now get rid of him before he becomes an anchor dragging us to bottom of ocean.

if he goes on and has another couple good years, good for him. he's not going to be anywhere clsoe to DPOY caliber anymore though. injuries started popping up last year.

 

[Anytime23]

I think both teams won short-term, and both teams lost long-term.

It is interesting to analyze it through the lens of how much of a difference it ultimately made. Without Mack, do the Bears win the NFC North in 2018? Probably not, right?

Do they still make the playoffs in 2020, since Mack's impact on their record seemed fairly minimal last year, although who really knows?

Without Mack, are Nagy and Pace playoff-less and kicked to the curb by now?

No way of knowing for sure but id guess they are playoff-less. Fired? ehhhh. The past couple years have shown that this organization is way more incompetent than I've ever given them credit for.

Mack is a great player but the Bears did give up a lot. 2 1sts on top of a massive contract that made him the highest paid defensive player ever(at that time). Thats not how you build a winning roster. The move was a double down on Pace thinking Mitch was that dude and that Mack would have been the missing piece to get the D to do their part(they did) but the rest of his bets massively flopped.

 

[Ralpf]

They play different positions, Tonga is a NT. Hicks is a DE/DT

Thought about that after I posted. Didn't get back to it.

 

[Bearly]

The ultimate difficulty with evaluating the Mack trade is rating the value he brings relative to the value that was given away for him.

Year one? With a doubt. Dude is a DPOY candidate. Worth every cent.

Since then, not so much. Whether that's injury, lack of motivation, changes in coordinators, Mack has not brought the overall LEVEL of impact that justified his overall trade value. Now, keep in mind that football is a team sport that relies on ownership, the front office, and the coaching staff having their act together which they clearly do not.

Pace has made a bunch of blunders that have impacted the Bears overall. He's given up too many top picks for players who have never returned the value.

Considering how many 1s and 2s that Pace has drafted that did not pan out and how many 1s and 2s he has traded away has had a direct impact on the overall talent on this roster. Some of the 1s he traded away were from the Mack trade and it's difficult to project how well those players would have played if we never traded for Mack.

The simple question to ask is if the team is better with Mack or without Mack. That's a gut reaction and I think Mack brought and brings more value than what was given away. The problem with the Mack trade is that Pace is a blundering idiot and this coaching staff has been awful outside of Vic Fangio who was the single greatest hire the Bears have made since hiring Ditka.

This team this year is destined for a 6 win season. I have not seen anything that makes me believe they can win games due to Pace's poor decision making. I am glad we got Fields, but the team is a mess again in depth and in contracts. This team will likely not get better until guys like Quinn and Mack are gone and lord knows if we will ever recoup the value of EJ's contract.

The draft picks given for Mack was an easy decision but the contract was going to be the make or break portion of the deal. Giving 2 #1s and getting a #2 back is a no brainer but we end up with the same situation the Raiders were in. A contract that limits other areas of the team.