Rank The NFC North Rosters

[Xplosive]

LMAO, chickenshit confirmed.

Hey, I made an offer. Now you trigger me with "chickenshit"! OK I'll add a Maxwell street polish to the total. Now what??

 

[nc0gnet0]

Hey, I made an offer. Now you trigger me with "chickenshit"! OK I'll add a Maxwell street polish to the total. Now what??

How about a simple avatar bet.

 

[Xplosive]

How about a simple avatar bet.

Not happening.

 

[Washington]

If you could have any one QB in the division, which one would you pick? I think everyone who's honest would still pick Caleb even though both Goff and Love have more success under their belts. They're also more known commodities, ones who don't figure to ever be able to take you too far in the playoffs. Going forward, it's Caleb... for now anyway. If it's to win a game tomorrow then maybe not.

As far as the tight ends go, you'll probably take the Bears' entire position group over any others, which is what he was saying, even though LaPorta is the best of one TE of the bench for now. At least until Hockenson shows he can maybe be what he once was or Loveland comes right in and tears shit up. Tucker Kraft showed a lot last year but Musgrave has been a disappointment.

To answer your first question, I would take CW. But that doesn't change my opinion that I don't think he's the best QB in the division right now which is what I stated. CW was piss poor throwing the ball downfield last year. Goff is miles ahead of him in that regard right now. I hope and believe he will improve and I feel he has the most upside but he is far from the best at this time (which was my point).

As for the TEs, I based my opinion on what I know at this time and that is LaPorta is better than everyone who has played the position in our division - at this time. We are all hypothesizing that Loveland will be great but that is not proven at this time. Overall, I like the potential of our TEs better though.

 

[Washington]

I guess it's homerism in projection vs. current reality. But I think most people would agree that the Lions probably aren't going to be as good on offense, and that the Bears will improve.

So current reality, Caleb is the 2nd/3rd best starting QB in the NFC North(2nd because I think Jordan Love is absolute trash). Projection with Ben Johnson, improved OL, and new weapons, Caleb could be the best QB in the division.

This is part of the fun of the long NFL offseason. There is so much to project and discuss. I think the issue is when people convince themselves that the Bears are going to win 11-12 games and be competing for a Super Bowl with Matt Eberflus and and Shane Waldron running the show. And then they get disappointed when reality rears its ugly head.

I think people need to adopt a little more patience, and a cautiously optimistic approach to things if it appears to be trending in that direction. And I think this team is trending in the right direction.

My comments about CW not being the best in our division now and LaPorta being the best TE in the division now were based on "current reality" and not on projections.

 

[modo]

The next 3 months are where Bears fans talk themselves into having a playoff caliber team. You can set your calendar by it.

They should be. Will they be? welp...

 

[nc0gnet0]

Not happening.

so, you like to come on here, talk a lot of shit, but have zero faith in your projections..........

Got it.

 

[thenewguy]

The Vikings roster is interesting. They had the oldest roster in the NFL last year and added more old FA's. They only had 4 picks in this years draft, 1 in the top 100. Last year only 2 picks in the top 100. That roster is getting very Pace like and that type of roster construction usually catches up with you. It helps they are very well coached.

 

[Xplosive]

so, you like to come on here, talk a lot of shit, but have zero faith in your projections..........

Got it.

Betting is luck and I don’t put faith in things beyond my control. It doesn't interest me. If you are thrilled and excited by betting no problem, bet $100.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Betting is luck and I don’t put faith in things beyond my control. It doesn't interest me. If you are thrilled and excited by betting no problem, bet $100.

The loser donates $100 to the forum in the winners behalf.
Just think, you could actually become a donator!

 

[bears51/40]

What makes you say that? Ideally, Glasgow gets replaced to rotational duty.

Think it will be a competition between these two., which is a good thing. Best player wins.

 

[bears51/40]

Give it a rest, even Bears fans are calling your BS.

Jared Goff 4,629 yds passing
Sam Darnold 4,319
Caleb Williams 3,541
Jordan Love 3,389

Now how on God's green earth can you sit there and say you have both the best QB and best WR group in the division?
Either your QB sucks major ass, and you have great receivers, or you have a great Qb and your receivers suck ass.
Meanwhile, the Lions, who you claim have neither the best QB or Best WR's, put up 30% more yards then the Bears, and lead all teams in passing yards.

Math must be hard for you.

But hey, I get it, the Bears, again offseason champs, got better, while all the other teams regressed.

Got it!

Now, if you are so confident the Bears will be better than the Lions, what do you want to wager on who finishes higher for the upcoming season?

But isn't a lot of that production based on Ben Johnson's play calling? Pre Johnson in 2021 with a better coaching staff and a great OL in front of him Goff's numbers were actually worse than Williams in his rookie year. After Johnson took over as OC Goff's numbers have gone up every year.

 

[bamainatlanta]

The Vikings roster is interesting. They had the oldest roster in the NFL last year and added more old FA's. They only had 4 picks in this years draft, 1 in the top 100. Last year only 2 picks in the top 100. That roster is getting very Pace like and that type of roster construction usually catches up with you. It helps they are very well coached.

But it also helps that they have a couple of elite players and a really good OL. It will catch up to them especially if JJ McHandOff falls flat on his face.

 

[nc0gnet0]

But isn't a lot of that production based on Ben Johnson's play calling? Pre Johnson in 2021 with a better coaching staff and a great OL in front of him Goff's numbers were actually worse than Williams in his rookie year. After Johnson took over as OC Goff's numbers have gone up every year.

Oh please, throw the 2021 shit out the window. It was the first year of a rebuild. A complete teardown. Did BJ help? Sure, but so did adding talent to the roster. Amon was a rookie (and actually started off slow), questionable guard play, Decker started the season injured forcing a last minute move of Sewel to LT after practicing exclusively at RT throughout camp, etc etc.

Ben Johnson's accession just happened to coincide with the addition of talent, and rookies developing on the Lions roster. Gibbs, LaPorta, Amon turning into a stud, solidifying the guard positions, eventually Jamo, etc etc.

Food for thought, Ben Johnson has never actually worked with a near rookie QB, you have no idea how well he can "develop" Caleb. And for that matter, how much time he will have to do so, now being the HC.

 

[bears51/40]

But it also helps that they have a couple of elite players and a really good OL. It will catch up to them especially if JJ McHandOff falls flat on his face.

Problem I can see with the Vikings OL is that three of the projected starters are coming off of injuries.

 

[thenewguy]

Oh please, throw the 2021 shit out the window. It was the first year of a rebuild. A complete teardown. Did BJ help? Sure, but so did adding talent to the roster. Amon was a rookie (and actually started off slow), questionable guard play, Decker started the season injured forcing a last minute move of Sewel to LT after practicing exclusively at RT throughout camp, etc etc.

Ben Johnson's accession just happened to coincide with the addition of talent, and rookies developing on the Lions roster. Gibbs, LaPorta, Amon turning into a stud, solidifying the guard positions, eventually Jamo, etc etc.

Food for thought, Ben Johnson has never actually worked with a near rookie QB, you have no idea how well he can "develop" Caleb. And for that matter, how much time he will have to do so, now being the HC.

And none of that player development had to do with Ben Johnson, right? 3 months after the playoff loss and the cope machine is still turned up to 11.

 

[thenewguy]

Problem I can see with the Vikings OL is that three of the projected starters are coming off of injuries.

Their oline is a lot like the Bears rebuilt oline. It should be better but if everyone is scared of the Bears depth, the Vikings could be even shakier. McCarthy is such a wild card too. I didn't care for him but O'Connell has been a wizard.

 

[bears51/40]

Oh please, throw the 2021 shit out the window. It was the first year of a rebuild. A complete teardown. Did BJ help? Sure, but so did adding talent to the roster. Amon was a rookie (and actually started off slow), questionable guard play, Decker started the season injured forcing a last minute move of Sewel to LT after practicing exclusively at RT throughout camp, etc etc.

Ben Johnson's accession just happened to coincide with the addition of talent, and rookies developing on the Lions roster. Gibbs, LaPorta, Amon turning into a stud, solidifying the guard positions, eventually Jamo, etc etc.

Food for thought, Ben Johnson has never actually worked with a near rookie QB, you have no idea how well he can "develop" Caleb. And for that matter, how much time he will have to do so, now being the HC.

Hold on now.............in 2022 your starting offense in Johnson's first year calling plays.
QB) Goff 4438 20 td's 7 int's. That's 1000+ more yds. and 10 more td's than the year before.
RB) Williams/Swift
WR) St Brown 106 rec.
WR) Reynolds 38 rec
WR) Chark 30 rec
TE) Wright 18 rec
LT) Decker
LG) Jackson
C) Ragnow
RG) Brown
LT) Sewell

Great OL play, but other than Goff and St Brown a whole lot of average talent at receiver. Running backs were slightly better, Johnson got a career year out of Williams and Swift had injury problems. Yet as a group that Lions offense was 4th in total offense. Coaching does matter.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Hold on now.............in 2022 your starting offense in Johnson's first year calling plays.
QB) Goff 4438 20 td's 7 int's. That's 1000+ more yds. and 10 more td's than the year before.
RB) Williams/Swift
WR) St Brown 106 rec.
WR) Reynolds 38 rec
WR) Chark 30 rec
TE) Wright 18 rec
LT) Decker
LG) Jackson
C) Ragnow
RG) Brown
LT) Sewell

Great OL play, but other than Goff and St Brown a whole lot of average talent at receiver. Running backs were slightly better, Johnson got a career year out of Williams and Swift had injury problems. Yet as a group that Lions offense was 4th in total offense. Coaching does matter.

The Lions OC in 2021 was let go midway through the season, then BJ and Campbell took over. BJ was named the official OC in 2022, but had already been working in that capacity in 2021. They also started out 2022 terribly, under Ben Johnson as OC, not until mid season did they get hot. So, that was about one full year under BJ before they became good.

 

[bears51/40]

The Lions OC in 2021 was let go midway through the season, then BJ and Campbell took over. BJ was named the official OC in 2022, but had already been working in that capacity in 2021. They also started out 2022 terribly, under Ben Johnson as OC, not until mid season did they get hot. So, that was about one full year under BJ before they became good.

Got it. So, it should be a quicker transition for Johnson in Chicago because this offensive roster has much more talent than 2021 or 2022 Lions.