Ray Emery fan club

[southern_cross_116]

All right, let's consider stats and what generates stats ...

Stats work best for fantasy leagues when they are taken out of the context of the teams that these players are producing their stats on.

And yes, I have played in fantasy sports leagues; they're all right -but can lead to some misrepresentation of stats -as those are all about context.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

I don't really have any preference.

Just win baby.

 

[tbo41fan]

I understand what you are saying.

wanna explain it?

 

[icehogfan08]

wanna explain it?

I'm all for the goalie wins, but I understand what Dewey is trying to point out.

I guess the best example to put this is with Luongo. He usually has around a 8.9-9.0 save %. Because of that his team knows they are going to have to go out there and put up 4+ goals. The team is allowing Luongo to get the wins. Then when someone like Lundquist is throwing up a 93+ % and is allowing his team to compete thats a better goalie.

I think Emery has been solid, and the reason is beacuse of that Edmonton game, along with his start every now and then. However if Emery is getting us wins, then tyhats the goalie I would be riding. I really dont care who plays in net, because the better team play you get, the more your going to help the Goalies stats.

 

[tbo41fan]

I'm all for the goalie wins, but I understand what Dewey is trying to point out.

I guess the best example to put this is with Luongo. He usually has around a 8.9-9.0 save %. Because of that his team knows they are going to have to go out there and put up 4+ goals. The team is allowing Luongo to get the wins. Then when someone like Lundquist is throwing up a 93+ % and is allowing his team to compete thats a better goalie.

I think Emery has been solid, and the reason is beacuse of that Edmonton game, along with his start every now and then. However if Emery is getting us wins, then tyhats the goalie I would be riding. I really dont care who plays in net, because the better team play you get, the more your going to help the Goalies stats.

Thats the only thing im trying to say..

wins=play time

 

[icehogfan08]

Thats the only thing im trying to say..

wins=play time

I agree, but I understand where he is coming from, especially because this team can be inconsistent.

 

[HawkWriter]

I'm all for the goalie wins, but I understand what Dewey is trying to point out.

I guess the best example to put this is with Luongo. He usually has around a 8.9-9.0 save %. Because of that his team knows they are going to have to go out there and put up 4+ goals. The team is allowing Luongo to get the wins. Then when someone like Lundquist is throwing up a 93+ % and is allowing his team to compete thats a better goalie.

I think Emery has been solid, and the reason is beacuse of that Edmonton game, along with his start every now and then. However if Emery is getting us wins, then tyhats the goalie I would be riding. I really dont care who plays in net, because the better team play you get, the more your going to help the Goalies stats.

Whoa...what Luongo are you talking about? He hasn't had below a .913 (not counting this year) since 2000. Last year he had a .928 sv pct. Also, Lundqvist has never put up a .93% in a full season, in fact last season he had a sv pct of .923, which was lower than Luongo.

 

[icehogfan08]

Whoa...what Luongo are you talking about? He hasn't had below a .913 (not counting this year) since 2000. Last year he had a .928 sv pct. Also, Lundqvist has never put up a .93% in a full season, in fact last season he had a sv pct of .923, which was lower than Luongo.

I was making up numbers

 

[HawkWriter]

I was making up numbers

haha okay, I just wanted to make sure there because they weren't adding up to me. No worries.

 

[icehogfan08]

haha okay, I just wanted to make sure there because they weren't adding up to me. No worries.

I was just trying to throw something out there, I see where both sides are coming from.

 

[DewsSox79]

I'm all for the goalie wins, but I understand what Dewey is trying to point out.

I guess the best example to put this is with Luongo. He usually has around a 8.9-9.0 save %. Because of that his team knows they are going to have to go out there and put up 4+ goals. The team is allowing Luongo to get the wins. Then when someone like Lundquist is throwing up a 93+ % and is allowing his team to compete thats a better goalie.

I think Emery has been solid, and the reason is beacuse of that Edmonton game, along with his start every now and then. However if Emery is getting us wins, then tyhats the goalie I would be riding. I really dont care who plays in net, because the better team play you get, the more your going to help the Goalies stats.

:clap:

exactly.

 

[Popinski Soda]

Is that a McLaren or just a McLaren-orange Lambo?

 

[TheChicagoFan]

Technically you using the percentage stat is bogus because he hasn't played very much. It's like saying that a baseball player with a 1.000 average on opening day is the greatest player in the world. Not big enough sample size. One bad game thanks to defense kills.

 

[DewsSox79]

Technically you using the percentage stat is bogus because he hasn't played very much. It's like saying that a baseball player with a 1.000 average on opening day is the greatest player in the world. Not big enough sample size. One bad game thanks to defense kills.

no, im actually looking at his career as well.

there is a reason why he has never been a full time starting goalie in the nhl for more than 1 season.....he just isnt very good. I like him as a back up, but you are foolish to believe that the hawks will breeeze right into the cup with him in net. not going ot happen.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

no, im actually looking at his career as well.

there is a reason why he has never been a full time starting goalie in the nhl for more than 1 season.....he just isnt very good. I like him as a back up, but you are foolish to believe that the hawks will breeeze right into the cup with him in net. not going ot happen.

I don't remember ever saying that Emery should be the starting goalie. I said that he's playing well and it's good because Crawford played his best hockey when fighting for his job last year.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

you are foolish to believe that the hawks will breeeze right into the cup with him in net. not going ot happen.

 

[southern_cross_116]

no, im actually looking at his career as well.

there is a reason why he has never been a full time starting goalie in the nhl for more than 1 season.....he just isnt very good. I like him as a back up, but you are foolish to believe that the hawks will breeeze right into the cup with him in net. not going ot happen.

That is the conventional thinking, however, it is also exactly why hockey writers were claiming that the Hawks were not going to be able to win in 2010 (the 2009-10 playoffs)- Niemi, he'd never been a #1 at any level, etc...

and it didn't work that way. So 'not gonna happen' is probably overstating things. 'Probably not gonna happen.' Might be better, but on the other hand Crawford only became a #1 during last season (and arguably is not #1 now- at best, it is a splitting duties situation).

So, what is it really? I don't think it is right to dump all that on Emery -as there is a team situation that needs to be looked at holistically.

And then it becomes: - how do you address the situation? It can't be just put Crawford in there, because he was a number 1 goalie for part of one season and is paid more than Emery -as that also fits into your example as to why Emery won't work. :thinking:

Interesting twist to the topic -anyways that's the situation as I see that it has been laid out in the thread (not saying I buy into it or not ... it is rather irrellevant, at this point, as you have to play with what you have. And you need to keep generating points).

 

[icehogfan08]

IDK if Emery has ever lost the #1 spot. He was injured when he lost the job in Philly. Then in Ottawa it was attitude adjustment because obviously something was going on with the players leaving. IDK what happened in Ottawa but they got to the finals, than BAM their players are requesting to be moved etc. that of course upset Emery who wanted players around him to go win that cup.

Last year when Hiller went out, Emery played that #1 caliber to get the Ducks to the post season. Maybe a healthy Emery surrounded by a good team is what he needs to get back to that #1

 

[TheChicagoFan]

There are things that I don't like about Emery, though. He's really slow and I don't like a slow goaltender. He's good and makes good saves, but having him in a shootout and certain situations is just bad. He's a good duo guy.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

His trouble in the one shootout we've seen him in this year wasn't speed.