Regretting DWade

[TheStig]

So let me get this straight...you think Deng's contract is dead weight, and it kept the Bulls from getting the Big three, which makes the system detrimental to the league, because you can't get the big three on one team...which would also be detrimental to the league....


OK!!!!

Thats not what I said. The two subjects are separate. And compared to Bron or Bosh or Wade, deng is dead weight.

Regardless of your spin. I prefer non guarnteed contracts and hard caps to the nonsense the nba has. Its a free for all with magic aces in dead weight contracts expiring.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

So let me get this straight...you think Deng's contract is dead weight, and it kept the Bulls from getting the Big three, which makes the system detrimental to the league, because you can't get the big three on one team...which would also be detrimental to the league....


OK!!!!

Fucking amazing, ain't it?

 

[dougthonus]

Thats not what I said. The two subjects are separate. And compared to Bron or Bosh or Wade, deng is dead weight.

Regardless of your spin. I prefer non guarnteed contracts and hard caps to the nonsense the nba has. Its a free for all with magic aces in dead weight contracts expiring.

I think owners would love non guaranteed contracts too, but even in the NFL, non guaranteed contracts still cause huge cap hits going forward when you waive guys.

I'd love a system with a hard cap and non guaranteed contracts, so that each year every team could completely start over if it wanted. Granted, I don't see it ever happening, and fully non guaranteed contracts has no shot in hell of happening, but it wouldn't surprise me to see partial guarantees going in (sliding scale based on years) and a hard cap is probably a stretch, but a tougher luxury tax woudln't be shocking.

 

[houheffna]

Thats not what I said. The two subjects are separate. And compared to Bron or Bosh or Wade, deng is dead weight.

Regardless of your spin. I prefer non guarnteed contracts and hard caps to the nonsense the nba has. Its a free for all with magic aces in dead weight contracts expiring.

Spin? That would be you...not me.

If that is what you call dead weight...99.9% of the league is dead weight comparable to Lebron and Wade, they are arguably the two best in the league.

So you want everyone's teams an players to become expendable...hell, get rid of players and have a free agency cesspool every year with no consistency concerning rosters etc. so that they can go after Lebron and Wade? This isn't fantasy league. You don't get to reshuffle the deck every season. Nor should owners be able to do that...

 

[TheStig]

Spin? That would be you...not me.

If that is what you call dead weight...99.9% of the league is dead weight comparable to Lebron and Wade, they are arguably the two best in the league.

So you want everyone's teams an players to become expendable...hell, get rid of players and have a free agency cesspool every year with no consistency concerning rosters etc. so that they can go after Lebron and Wade? This isn't fantasy league. You don't get to reshuffle the deck every season. Nor should owners be able to do that...

I will repeat it again if you didn't catch it the first time. If you could have dumped deng, you'd have had a shot at the big 3. That was the question and it was answered. He is dead weight for more reasons, no one will touch him. He doesn't play a full year and he prioritizes another team over ours.

Your right, better to have dead weight hasbeens around just so you could trade them three years later as an expiring over a useful player, that increases the talent in the league. I love watching Eddy Curry these days.

 

[TheStig]

I think owners would love non guaranteed contracts too, but even in the NFL, non guaranteed contracts still cause huge cap hits going forward when you waive guys.

I'd love a system with a hard cap and non guaranteed contracts, so that each year every team could completely start over if it wanted. Granted, I don't see it ever happening, and fully non guaranteed contracts has no shot in hell of happening, but it wouldn't surprise me to see partial guarantees going in (sliding scale based on years) and a hard cap is probably a stretch, but a tougher luxury tax woudln't be shocking.

Sorry I don't follow football much so I don't know the details of the salary cap. I am just fed up with having wasted money and roster spots. You have these untradable contracts that just magically become gold because they are finally ending. I think we will have less Eddy Curry's if they can get cut.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I will repeat it again if you didn't catch it the first time. If you could have dumped deng, you'd have had a shot at the big 3. That was the question and it was answered. He is dead weight for more reasons, no one will touch him. He doesn't play a full year and he prioritizes another team over ours.

Your right, better to have dead weight hasbeens around just so you could trade them three years later as an expiring over a useful player, that increases the talent in the league. I love watching Eddy Curry these days.

Dude, the Bulls, as it turns out, never had a shot any of the Big 3. They were free agents, they get to decide where they go. They all wanted to go to Miami.

 

[dougthonus]

Dude, the Bulls, as it turns out, never had a shot any of the Big 3. They were free agents, they get to decide where they go. They all wanted to go to Miami.

If the Bulls could have dumped the whole roster besides Rose/Noah they would have had a shot at convincing the big three to sign here instead of Miami. We'd have had more talent going forward than Miami would with the same group and a bigger market for them to be in as well.

I don't think it's likely that it would have worked, but it's a possibility.

 

[TheStig]

Dude, the Bulls, as it turns out, never had a shot any of the Big 3. They were free agents, they get to decide where they go. They all wanted to go to Miami.

They wanted to go to Miami to play together. If we didn't have Deng on the roster, they could have played here with Rose, Noah and Gibson. Miami was the choice because they were the only financially workable option. Not saying it as a certainty but we would have had a chance without Deng.

 

[Diddy1122]

They wanted to go to Miami to play together. If we didn't have Deng on the roster, they could have played here with Rose, Noah and Gibson. Miami was the choice because they were the only financially workable option. Not saying it as a certainty but we would have had a chance without Deng.

Ok, first let's get over this whole dead weight thing. Deng is not dead weight. The guy is a solid SF, who rebounds well, has a great mid range game, & plays solid D. Is he overpaid? Sure, so is 95% of the league. But deadweight? No I don't think so. We're not talking about Brian Cardinal here.

As for the Miami Thrice, even IF we had the financial flexibility, I'm 99.9% sure they would still go to Miami. 1) No State Tax; 2) amazing warm weather; 3) loads & loads of hot women; & 4) Pat Riley. All we have is 2 budding stars to compete with that. And in all 3 of their minds, they know that just them 3 plus garbage would still rule the league so why go to a cold city with the highest sales tax & one of the highest property taxes in the nation, plus an owner who's proven to be extremely frugal just to play with 2 young guys who have big contract extensions coming up in a year anyway. Either way you look at it, it was always going to come up in Miami's favor.

Case closed.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Diddy Pop knows.....

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

If the Bulls could have dumped the whole roster besides Rose/Noah they would have had a shot at convincing the big three to sign here instead of Miami. We'd have had more talent going forward than Miami would with the same group and a bigger market for them to be in as well.

I don't think it's likely that it would have worked, but it's a possibility.

They wanted to go to Miami to play together. If we didn't have Deng on the roster, they could have played here with Rose, Noah and Gibson. Miami was the choice because they were the only financially workable option. Not saying it as a certainty but we would have had a chance without Deng.

You guys keep looking at this through a Bulls fans perspective. Of course there was a better option in Chicago. However, independent of all of that is the fact that the three of them wanted to play together. Luol Deng or no Luol Deng, his contract - while bad - was not the reason they did not come to Chicago.

 

[TheStig]

You guys keep looking at this through a Bulls fans perspective. Of course there was a better option in Chicago. However, independent of all of that is the fact that the three of them wanted to play together. Luol Deng or no Luol Deng, his contract - while bad - was not the reason they did not come to Chicago.

They didn't come here for sure because it was financially not feasible. If you remove that restriction we have a chance. A decent chance since we had Rose, Noah and Gibson vs Miller, Haslem and Chalmers. None of the reports stated that they only wanted to be in Miami. They all said they wanted to play together. Something that wasn't possible with Deng here.

 

[TheStig]

Ok, first let's get over this whole dead weight thing. Deng is not dead weight. The guy is a solid SF, who rebounds well, has a great mid range game, & plays solid D. Is he overpaid? Sure, so is 95% of the league. But deadweight? No I don't think so. We're not talking about Brian Cardinal here.

As for the Miami Thrice, even IF we had the financial flexibility, I'm 99.9% sure they would still go to Miami. 1) No State Tax; 2) amazing warm weather; 3) loads & loads of hot women; & 4) Pat Riley. All we have is 2 budding stars to compete with that. And in all 3 of their minds, they know that just them 3 plus garbage would still rule the league so why go to a cold city with the highest sales tax & one of the highest property taxes in the nation, plus an owner who's proven to be extremely frugal just to play with 2 young guys who have big contract extensions coming up in a year anyway. Either way you look at it, it was always going to come up in Miami's favor.

Case closed.

Deng is not dead weight but he is a bad contract. Thats why we couldn't move him.

All of them held Chicago as a backup plan if they couldn't play together. I don't see how we fall off completely if we were financially feasible. We have had stars before and your example sounds more like Detroit than Chicago. If you hate the city so much, you can take your talents to south beach too. Its not as doom and gloom as you make it to be. Despite the climate. JR as much as I don't like him would have paid for those guys to play together.

And btw they don't have no state tax. Half the games are road games and get taxed by the state they play in. So its roughly 50% of what it is in Chicago. Which is 1-2 mill over the whole deal. Something they easily could have made up in endorsements being in a bigger market.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Small market/big market means nothing in terms of endorsements, when you have ESPN and the internet.

Peyton Manning plays in bumfuck Indianapolis and he does just fine getting endorsements.

 

[Diddy1122]

Deng is not dead weight but he is a bad contract. Thats why we couldn't move him.

All of them held Chicago as a backup plan if they couldn't play together. I don't see how we fall off completely if we were financially feasible. We have had stars before and your example sounds more like Detroit than Chicago. If you hate the city so much, you can take your talents to south beach too. Its not as doom and gloom as you make it to be. Despite the climate. JR as much as I don't like him would have paid for those guys to play together.

And btw they don't have no state tax. Half the games are road games and get taxed by the state they play in. So its roughly 50% of what it is in Chicago. Which is 1-2 mill over the whole deal. Something they easily could have made up in endorsements being in a bigger market.

I was speaking as if I was one of those 3. I love my city even though the taxes are ridiculous & the weather sucks most of the time. And yes I understand half the games are taxed, but they don't own property in every state, or shop for supplies in every state. Trust me, Florida is really cheap to live in, why do you think there's so many old people down there? Anyways, if I was a young star athlete not from here & there were 2 options, options 1 being a warm weather climate with considerably less taxes, loads of hot women, a billionaire owner not afraid to spend, & a HOFer running things vs. a colder city, though arguably a better market, with some of the highest taxes in the US, an owner who has a kungfu grip on his wallet, & a GM who gets in fights with his head coach, I gotta say I would lean toward Miami. And it's nothing against our great city, you just have to put yourself in their mindset.

Either way this is all moot since you'd be dancing on the street naked probably if all these 3 ended up here. This is nothing but sour grapes at this point, it's just time to move on & root for the very good team Gar/Pax has put together this year. GO BULLS!

 

[TheStig]

I'm sorry I can't completly rule it out like you do. Obviously people live here and its not Montana. We have had great players in the past who didn't flee and as much as I hate to say it, JR has spent for a winner. So I don't see how that rep applies. In the end, I don't know where they go but they would consider us. To say they wouldn't is asinine.

It is to a degree but I never really wanted all three. I really wanted two. It just really bugs me that all three teamed up. there needs to be some parity in the league imo.

 

[Diddy1122]

That's why I left a .1% chance. I never said they wouldn't consider us. But you got to put yourself in their shoes. When it comes to those 3, if it came down to us & Miami, Miami wins out. I'm sorry it's just the way it is. Not trying to knock the city I love & grew up in but when you're young with tons of money, Chicago isn't usually up at the top of the list on desirable locations.

Honestly I don't care that all 3 teamed up. I do think it was kind of a cop out move though. I'd be like MJ, I'd rather beat the best than play with them. But I don't think it's destroying the NBA. Hell they haven't even won anything yet! Let's hold off some judgement until we see if the experiment even works.

 

[houheffna]

Deng is not dead weight but he is a bad contract. Thats why we couldn't move him.

All of them held Chicago as a backup plan if they couldn't play together. I don't see how we fall off completely if we were financially feasible. We have had stars before and your example sounds more like Detroit than Chicago. If you hate the city so much, you can take your talents to south beach too. Its not as doom and gloom as you make it to be. Despite the climate. JR as much as I don't like him would have paid for those guys to play together.

And btw they don't have no state tax. Half the games are road games and get taxed by the state they play in. So its roughly 50% of what it is in Chicago. Which is 1-2 mill over the whole deal. Something they easily could have made up in endorsements being in a bigger market.

Who told you that ALL of them had Chicago as a backup plan? Wade had Chicago as a backup plan IF Lebron and Bosh were in Cleveland. I don't even know if I believe that as it seems this was planned year in advance.

But I cannot understand the obvious hypocrisy you show. Many of us stated that in the long run, the Bulls were right to let Gordon go and should try to trade everybody that they can to get Lebron, you objected. Now you are upset that the Bulls didn't unload enough "dead weight"? Interesting...and highly subjective.

 

[dougthonus]

Small market/big market means nothing in terms of endorsements, when you have ESPN and the internet.

Peyton Manning plays in bumfuck Indianapolis and he does just fine getting endorsements.

Peyton Manning would do even better if he were in a larger market. Market isn't everything, and elite players will always get endorsements, but it's silly to think market makes no difference whatsoever.