Reinsdorf says Bulls inexperienced...

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The year before AI was traded to the pistons he averaged 26 PPG and 7 APG for the Nuggets. He also helped them get to the WCF. I wouldn't say that Billups was better than AI AT THAT POINT. It was just very clear who won the trade a couple of months later. Billups went back to his hometown and shined.... while AI collapsed as did the Pistons.

And my post after that is why I really don't want AI here.

Billups is one of the more underrated players of all-time man. It's fair to say he was better at that point. A.I. was already well past his prime by the time he got to Denver... by the time he was a Piston... he was much slower.

AI also just didn't have the PG skills that DET needed.

 

[BNB]

Billups is one of the more underrated players of all-time man. It's fair to say he was better at that point. A.I. was already well past his prime by the time he got to Denver... by the time he was a Piston... he was much slower.

AI also just didn't have the PG skills that DET needed.

And AI Is one of the most overrated players in NBA history. The fact that some people actually call this guy a Top 5 SG of all time is just insane. People are blinded by the PPG stat when they look at his career and ignore everything else. Poor defender, ballhogged like crazy, was not a good leader, etc. I still think he was a good player, but people talk him up way too much. And at age 36, he won't help us at all.

Billups does a lot of nice things. He's a pretty good defender, he's a clutch shooter... a good shooter... but overall, he's a low percentage shooter, he isn't really a play making PG like Nash, Rondo, Paul, etc.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

And AI Is one of the most overrated players in NBA history. The fact that some people actually call this guy a Top 5 SG of all time is just insane. People are blinded by the PPG stat when they look at his career and ignore everything else. Poor defender, ballhogged like crazy, was not a good leader, etc. I still think he was a good player, but people talk him up way too much. And at age 36, he won't help us at all.

Billups does a lot of nice things. He's a pretty good defender, he's a clutch shooter... a good shooter... but overall, he's a low percentage shooter, he isn't really a play making PG like Nash, Rondo, Paul, etc.

Chauncey Billups was meant to play in a slow-paced half-court offense. He needed a decent off-guard as a secondary playmaker, and he had that with Rip Hamilton.

Iverson can still do some damage offensively. But I don't know if he is "the answer" (pun intended) because his defense isn't what it was.

 

[BNB]

What has Iverson done to prove that he can still do anything offensively or even stay healthy for that matter? He's done. He's just another used-to-be-superstar that doesn't know when to call it quits and is just ruining his legacy.

and "because his defense isn't what it was."

it was never there to begin with. All those years he played in the league and he never even made the all-defensive team. Not once. The steals per game just kinda throws people off... he was a terrible defender.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

What has Iverson done to prove that he can still do anything offensively or even stay healthy for that matter? He's done. He's just another used-to-be-superstar that doesn't know when to call it quits and is just ruining his legacy.

and "because his defense isn't what it was."

it was never there to begin with. All those years he played in the league and he never even made the all-defensive team. Not once. The steals per game just kinda throws people off... he was a terrible defender.

He wasn't a terrible defender in his prime. He was very quick on the ball and it wasn't all just steals.

And the Bulls' SG situation is so terrible that even A.I. would help them offensively... there's no denying that.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

I already thought about the same here:

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/chicago-bulls-forum/11454-answer-bulls.html

You don´t have the AI in his prime who thinks he´s too good to need practice, you have an AI who wants to show the world that he still can play and I´m sure he´ll be a hard worker. This guy has a big weapon that doesn´t get away with getting older and that is his heart!

And AI not being a great defender??? His steal numbers were sick and what do you expect a 6 footer to do? Blocking shots?

I know how he would stop DWade.........................................He simply outscores him!

 

[Glide2keva]

I'm a big AI fan, but no. Stop the madness! Seriously.

Stop it.

What is it with you guys and wanting every big name, regardless of the fact that they may be or are completely washed up? AI is done. He has been for a while. Same with Tracy McGrady. While we're throwing names out there that won't help the team at all, let's try an bring Steve Smith out of retirement.

What's Reggie Miller doing these days?

Is Mitch Richmond available?

Please stop it. Iverson was great, but extremely overrated. I say this as a big fan of the guy.

 

[Glide2keva]

I already thought about the same here:

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/chicago-bulls-forum/11454-answer-bulls.html

You don´t have the AI in his prime who thinks he´s too good to need practice, you have an AI who wants to show the world that he still can play and I´m sure he´ll be a hard worker. This guy has a big weapon that doesn´t get away with getting older and that is his heart!

And AI not being a great defender??? His steal numbers were sick and what do you expect a 6 footer to do? Blocking shots?

I know how he would stop DWade.........................................He simply outscores him!

Dude, really?

You seriously think Iverson can come in and score for the Bulls? First off he is NOT 6'. Iverson is at most 5' 10". He is just listed at 6 feet. We do not need an undersized player at the 2. We need a player at least 6' 5".

You guys just fall in love with big names and never let them go.

 

[Glide2keva]

He wasn't a terrible defender in his prime. He was very quick on the ball and it wasn't all just steals.

And the Bulls' SG situation is so terrible that even A.I. would help them offensively... there's no denying that.

There is a ton of denying that.

Iverson is not the answer to the Bulls 2 guard problem. His best days are so far behind him that they'd have to send out a search party to go find them. Stop watching the youtube highlights.

DUDE IS DONE!!!!!

 

[Chi-Town Brahma]

Reinsdorf seems to really want to see this through. I'm game! If he wants to instantly improve this team he will. Like it was said, he's willing to cough up the cash and/or go over the cap to get the right players in.

 

[houheffna]

Reinsdorf seems to really want to see this through. I'm game! If he wants to instantly improve this team he will. Like it was said, he's willing to cough up the cash and/or go over the cap to get the right players in.

I agree, and Iverson is NOT the answer. Dude is 36 years old! I don't think he is who Reinsdorf had in mind...

 

[Utahbullsfan]

Per Sam SMith

Sam: What, Marbury's not available? I seem to recall the Pistons, Grizzlies and 76ers were among the teams who believed Allen was at the stage of his career where he certainly would understand and become that willing sixth man. What's that definition of madness? Doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Coaches often say there's nothing more difficult than coaching a star on the way down, even one who is rational. Allen has had a great career and coming back to help ruin a fourth team probably is not the best idea.

 

[nwfisch]

Dude, really?

You seriously think Iverson can come in and score for the Bulls? First off he is NOT 6'. Iverson is at most 5' 10". He is just listed at 6 feet. We do not need an undersized player at the 2. We need a player at least 6' 5".

You guys just fall in love with big names and never let them go.

That's what a message board is for discussion, not ripping everyones ideas down. I haven't seen you offer a solution besides the fact you ripped everyone elses.

 

[Glide2keva]

That's what a message board is for discussion, not ripping everyone's ideas down. I haven't seen you offer a solution besides the fact you ripped everyone else's.

Isn't that what everyone else does?

The reason why i haven't offered a solution is because there isn't really much out there to choose from. A perfect fit to me would be Ray Allen (not because of his name), he's a great outside shooter, doesn't get injured and we don't need him to do much else but score the ball. But, seeing as he's exercised his option to stay in Boston, there is little chance of getting him.

Another guy is Richard Hamilton. I think the change of scenery would do him some good. Plus, he can knock down shots. That's what the Bulls need, someone who can knock down shots to take the pressure off of Deng and Rose.

Beyond that, the pipe dream would be Kevin Martin. Stay away from J.R. Smith.

 

[Utahbullsfan]

Isn't that what everyone else does?

The reason why i haven't offered a solution is because there isn't really much out there to choose from. A perfect fit to me would be Ray Allen (not because of his name), he's a great outside shooter, doesn't get injured and we don't need him to do much else but score the ball. But, seeing as his exercised his option to stay in Boston, there is little chance of getting.

Another guy is Richard Hamilton. I think the change of scenery would do him some good. Plus, he can knock down shots. That's what the Bulls need, someone who can knock down shots to take the pressure off of Deng and Rose.

Beyond that, the pipe dream would be Kevin Martin. Stay away from J.R. Smith.

I am coming back down to earth... I though Dwight was a pipe dream ... Now I am realizing that K-Mart II, OJ Mayo, Ellis and Iggy are the pipe dreams

I think the reality is Rip, Lee or just Brewer starting

 

[FirstTimer]

Is this board now seriously so desperate for a shooting guard that people are bringing up Allen Iverson?

:rofl:

 

[nwfisch]

Is this board now seriously so desperate for a shooting guard that people are bringing up Allen Iverson?

:rofl:

I brought up AI because it was linked on the article Houheffna posted. Bulls won't even kick the tires on him anyways.

 

[Glide2keva]

I am coming back down to earth... I though Dwight was a pipe dream ... Now I am realizing that K-Mart II, OJ Mayo, Ellis and Iggy are the pipe dreams

I think the reality is Rip, Lee or just Brewer starting

This is where I've seen it from the beginning.

That Miami series could've easily gone in the Bulls' favor, minus some bad calls and bad plays down the stretch. They were in every game. Another scorer would've benefited them greatly on the wings.

If they could not have Korver coming off screens and let him spot up (ala Paxson/Kerr/Armstrong), he'd be a much better asset to the team. Every game I watched and he'd take that shot off the screen, I knew it wasn't his shot. Then you look at that Memphis game where he was able to spot up, and wow did he light them up.

Rip would benefit from being on this team, and we could use his championship experience for those big games and moments. But, that might be a pipe dream also.

 

[Glide2keva]

I brought up AI because it was linked on the article Houheffna posted. Bulls won't even kick the tires on him anyways.

And they shouldn't.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Like I said, I don't think Iverson is the answer (anymore) but there is no one on the Bulls right now who can play SG from a more effective standpoint than Allen Iverson.

If we are talking about giving this guy a non-guaranteed/chump change contract, there isn't much reason why they shouldn't sign him if a better option doesn't come up.