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See Baltimore.
See Baltimore.
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Yes, it literally was. Trestman himself admitted to this.
Yeah, He failed in Baltimore. He also succeeded on the offensive side of the ball more than that one failure so...my point still stands...
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Marc Trestman was a coach at the professional level for nearly 20 consecutive years.
What the hell are you talking about?
Trestman never got a HC gig prior to the Bears because he was such a fucking oddball. When he was an OC the HC could keep it confined. Trestman admitted in his book and interviews he didn't know how to handle a full team and his personality wasn't suited to it. He thought that was corrected when he got the Bears job...it obviously wasn't.
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LMAO. What do you want him to say? "I can't get a job because I am a shitty coach!"
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LOL, Canadian Football. Cutler could probably go there and win a few Championships too.
Let's see who is knocking down the door to grab Trestman as their next O Coordinator. If he is so good, I am sure he will get one soon.
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What is with your pre-2013 amnesia on the subject? Trestman was saying this and admitting this BEFORE he got the Bears job. No one viewed Trestman as a "shitty coach" prior to his Bears tenure.
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What does this have to do with Trestman's offense succeeding with Josh McCown more than Jay Cutler? Or getting nearly equal returns out of Jimmy Clausen in one start vs Jay Cutler?
Still waiting to hear what Trestman's offense "gimmicky"
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Fox was 2 games above 500 in his career as coach of the Panthers. Had ups and downs. He is a slightly above average coach.
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Still waiting on Trestman's next coaching gig.
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Yeah, he went 2-14 in a year with Jimmy Clausen starting games..he also went to the SB with Jake Delhomme as a starter and won a lot of games with him and went to the playoffs three times with Delhomme. He won a playoff game with Tim Tebow. Fox has had success with QBs worse than Cutler. How are you disputing this?
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You might be waiting a while, but that has zero to do with the point at hand....
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I don't think it's a coincident that Cutler's best "success" came with the best offensive coach of the bunch (Martz), and even that success was pretty muted compared to guys like Kitna, Bulger, etc
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Lovie won a playoff game with Cutler and went to the playoffs 3 times. Took Grossman to the Superbowl who is even worse than Delhomme. Then flamed out of Tampa. Still a better coach than Fox by a long shot.
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If he was a good coach, he would get that chance.
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Yes. The best O Coordinators make average QBs look better. It's no surprise. Most people would say that Cutler was at his very worst with Trestman. Yes, his stats were inflated because they never ran the ball and they were down by 4 touchdowns in the 4th quarter in half their games so he got a lot of garbage stats.
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Lovie went to the playoffs one time with Cutler.
He also took teams QBd by Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton to the playoffs...
What's your point?
Lovie had more success without Cutler than he did with him...this doesn't help the narrative that Cutler had a bad coaching situation. What's with your memory today? How are you not understanding the context of the Cutler disappointment?
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Buddy Ryan. Not a good coach. Got it.
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Comparing Lovie to Fox is a fair comparison because it is apples to apples. 2 defensive minded head coaches. You had Fox thrown in with offensive minded coaches which is kind of odd.
2005 and 2006 were the Bears prime defensive years and that is the biggest reason they went to the playoffs those years. in 2005, I think they allowed like 50 points at home all year combined which is just stupid good. 2006 was actually not as good defensively when Brown went down, but Grossman was better than rookie Orton. Point is, there is a lot of factors that go into it.
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2013 wasn't that bad with Cutler. 2014 was brutal.
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