Rose Accused of Drugging and Gang Raping Ex-Girlfriend

[houheffna]

No, you turned a "Rose" thread into an agenda for the accusing Woman. "drag this young lady under the bus"? If you're going to take this stance.... then you're not assuming Rose's innocence until proven guilty, which was my point ..... right? Instead, you made the thread about her, and were smug with your 'anti Rose' undertones. But hey, keep insulting me if you feel better.

By not wanting to have her trashed...I am not assuming Rose's innocence? Again...stupid. One has nothing to do with the other. I said nothing about Rose's innocence or guilt. You turned this into a meatball conversation and turned Rose into a victim by bringing up past storylines. When I was asked if I thought he did it, did you see my response?

You on the other hand think Rose is incapable...because he is your favorite player. Grow up.

 

[houheffna]

Derrick Rose has come from the dangerous englewood neighbourhood of Chicago , that means he had to struggle to get to this point . See guys , playing well and building a rep as a player is one thing ; and being an honest and just person is another thing . I think Derrick Rose is a good person nevertheless what rumours we hear about him . Just one message for Rose , don't let anything bring you down , "Straight Outta Englewood".

His life story has nothing to do with the event. The only thing you said that is even close to relevant in this situation is that he built his rep as a player....that's important. Because he hasn't built his rep as a person...as have been pointed out several times by beat writers and media...the organization don't know Rose! Plain and simple. So what you think about Rose doesn't really matter because you don't know him.

 

[The Hawk]

I am worried about Rose either way. He is a head case, probably this makes him turn inward and we hope that it toward basketball, but the guy cares more about 2025 than basketball according to himself...so we don't know.

Perhaps this focuses him on important stuff....like his career and reputation as a person. His overall legacy which had and still has high potential.

If it rocks the boat further, or he ends up resenting the media...or if the Bulls view this as time to move him from his hometown as that is notoriously a failure with this young players. They are often better off away from the elements they grew up with, this would be an example as its "gang rape" being accused.

Well....sucks all around. There was a day last year when both Kane and Rose went down to injury and I though both seasons were over. I couldn't believe it. Looking back I put way too much mental energy into these two dunces. Unreal talent both of them. Incapable of understanding the situations they are putting themselves in over and over.

They are still young enough to learn, but I haven't heard many intelligent sentences from either. These two teams seemed poised to be top 5 in their leagues, getting me through the Bears blow up and rebuild.

But I'm not even sure I feel like rooting for these morons at this point. I'm just tired of their stupid shit and complete out of touch reality. Forget the accusations...they are the last straw. I thought these were two hard workers but the other one just wants to rehab on twizzlers while the other keeps pouring poison down his throat. **** them...they don't really care. they have skill, but not a deep need to do everything right to succeed.

As someone with limited athleticism who learned how to put in maximum effort I'm just kinda tired of these bozo's. Keep eating sugar Rose. Keep drinking Kane. Goddamnit.

Great post!

 

[The Hawk]

I think that these guys should just have a bad ass bodyguard to protect them and keep them away from anykind of danger. And when they want to dip their wick, just hire a damn hooker or two. No muss. No fuss. They are targets to begin with by women who want a big payday. Don't fall into the trap of a rape charge. You will lose even if you are innocent.

Another point> These guys might think about having a video of themselves with these women to prove that things were consensual and not forced rape. I know it sound weird but you are talking about a guy's life here.

 

[Bear Pride]

By not wanting to have her trashed...I am not assuming Rose's innocence? Again...stupid. One has nothing to do with the other. I said nothing about Rose's innocence or guilt. You turned this into a meatball conversation and turned Rose into a victim by bringing up past storylines. When I was asked if I thought he did it, did you see my response?

You on the other hand think Rose is incapable...because he is your favorite player. Grow up.

Come on , man, who you trying to fool? Your past post history is full of anti Rose comments. Then you immediately chime in on another negative Rose thread like flies on shit with a smug remark how people will immediately trash this Woman.

Really? I see through your BS weather you like me or not. You know you couldn't wait to embellish something negative about Rose. But whatever, man, I really don't care. You are, again, the one calling me stupid... and for what? Choosing to see this desperate attempt to deface Rose... once again?

Rose my favorite player? You're not even close! I support Rose cuz he's on my team. I also empathize with him cuz so many 'so called' fans choose to "throw him under the bus" any chance they get. And for what?

Most of his criticism came from him getting injured. I wonder how you would have handled those injuries? And the criticism? When will it be 'enough' criticism on Rose? You didn't like how he 'came back' from his 1st injury? He did everything he could to come back from his 2nd injury!

And he played pretty well! AND people still criticize him... go figure? As a former player, I tend to side with the athlete over the accusers, especially when this Women's story seems really far fetched. Pardon me if that's my opinion, and you don't like it.

 

[Bear Pride]

His life story has nothing to do with the event. The only thing you said that is even close to relevant in this situation is that he built his rep as a player....that's important. Because he hasn't built his rep as a person...as have been pointed out several times by beat writers and media...the organization don't know Rose! Plain and simple. So what you think about Rose doesn't really matter because you don't know him.

Yet, you do? LOL!!! The only rep that the beatoff writers dictate about Rose is the negative bullshit that has you brainwashed. You say "person" when his negative rep comes from everyone thinking he should have played.... as a player.

As a person, he has donated money, helped his community, and helped make a shitty neighborhood a better place without wanting much recognition. What have you done... other than complain about him? It's only people like you that want to cling on to the negative shit that the worthless, antagonistic 'beat writers' want to drum up.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Honestly, it is foolish commenting as pro-Rose or pro-ex girlfriend without knowing any of the facts.

My gut feeling is this isn't true based on the little I do know about Rose. But I wasn't there. The facts are unclear.

Until any type of charges or a settlement occur then none of us have much business saying shit about it.

 

[Bear Pride]

Honestly, it is foolish commenting as pro-Rose or pro-ex girlfriend without knowing any of the facts.

My gut feeling is this isn't true based on the little I do know about Rose. But I wasn't there. The facts are unclear.

Until any type of charges or a settlement occur then none of us have much business saying shit about it.

I respect your opinion here. However, are you not commenting on this by stating your "gut feeling"? I agree with your 'gut feeling', however. That was pretty much my opinion as well. As far as 'having Business saying anything about it', I only go by the 'Law'..... "Innocent until proven guilty", which again, was my point.

 

[Icculus]

Actually, it's not "innocent until proven guilty". It's that the prosecution has to prove guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt" when it's a criminal court and "a preponderance of evidence" when it's a civil suit. I don't think this lady has that amount of evidence in her arsenal, though.

 

[Bear Pride]

Actually, it's not "innocent until proven guilty". It's that the prosecution has to prove guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt" when it's a criminal court and "a preponderance of evidence" when it's a civil suit. I don't think this lady has that amount of evidence in her arsenal, though.

The fact that she was turned down from two prior Attorneys, she filed on the last day of the 'statute of limitations' for the offense, and that she's accusing Rose, all of Rose's friends, and Rose's advisers as well, I have a "reasonable doubt".

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

I think that these guys should just have a bad ass bodyguard to protect them and keep them away from anykind of danger. And when they want to dip their wick, just hire a damn hooker or two. No muss. No fuss. They are targets to begin with by women who want a big payday. Don't fall into the trap of a rape charge. You will lose even if you are innocent.

Another point> These guys might think about having a video of themselves with these women to prove that things were consensual and not forced rape. I know it sound weird but you are talking about a guy's life here.

#FullHawk

**** all of those money grubbing beeyoches!
Amirite?

 

[Axl Rose]

Honestly, it is foolish commenting as pro-Rose or pro-ex girlfriend without knowing any of the facts.

My gut feeling is this isn't true based on the little I do know about Rose. But I wasn't there. The facts are unclear.

Until any type of charges or a settlement occur then none of us have much business saying shit about it.

however thats just what he "showed us" none of us know the real Rose from a hole in the wall.

but based on the chicks story i think this is sketchy aswell

i wont say its impossible that it happened but doubting it until more evidence surfaces but i don't think she has anything. if it was true then she should have went to the authorities immediately not 3 years later

its also possible this chick okay'd the ******** and is now feeling remorse after Rose threw her to the side

 

[Bear Pride]

however thats just what he "showed us" none of us know the real Rose from a hole in the wall.

but based on the chicks story i think this is sketchy aswell

i wont say its impossible that it happened but doubting it until more evidence surfaces but i don't think she has anything. if it was true then she should have went to the authorities immediately not 3 years later

its also possible this chick okay'd the ******** and is now feeling remorse after Rose threw her to the side

Exactly. Makes more sense to me. She could have been willing to get trained when she thought she had a chance with Rose, but when she realized she was just a Ho, she wants to go after some money cuz she feels she has the right. Seems like a good reason there wasn't criminal charges filed originally.

If... supposedly, there was used condoms all over the place, it should have been a "lock" case if it were true. Shit, when I was in College, the nursing students used to come over to the sports dorms and get trained all the time. You can't tell me this shit doesn't happen.

 

[houheffna]

Come on , man, who you trying to fool? Your past post history is full of anti Rose comments. Then you immediately chime in on another negative Rose thread like flies on shit with a smug remark how people will immediately trash this Woman.

Really? I see through your BS weather you like me or not. You know you couldn't wait to embellish something negative about Rose. But whatever, man, I really don't care. You are, again, the one calling me stupid... and for what? Choosing to see this desperate attempt to deface Rose... once again?

Rose my favorite player? You're not even close! I support Rose cuz he's on my team. I also empathize with him cuz so many 'so called' fans choose to "throw him under the bus" any chance they get. And for what?

Most of his criticism came from him getting injured. I wonder how you would have handled those injuries? And the criticism? When will it be 'enough' criticism on Rose? You didn't like how he 'came back' from his 1st injury? He did everything he could to come back from his 2nd injury!

And he played pretty well! AND people still criticize him... go figure? As a former player, I tend to side with the athlete over the accusers, especially when this Women's story seems really far fetched. Pardon me if that's my opinion, and you don't like it.

Oh you sympathize with Rose....not as a fan...as a player...lol. GTFOH. I never spoke of his injuries in this argument. Yet you use a torn ACL to make him a victim...when he is accused of rape? Again...GTFOH. Go back to your statements, your accusations in your posts on this subject. You are the one who came in accusatory. My statement was not towards anyone in particular. Attacking the accuser in these situations happen in society. People side with their heroes.

Needless to say, Rose ain't my hero...none of them are. But then again, I didn't attack the women who accused Bill Cosby of rape either. I didn't attack MLK's best friend for exposing his marriage infidelities. The truth is the truth. I respect Cosby much more than I did Rose...I respect MLK much more than Rose...if they did it...they did it. Rose deserves no better treatment.

 

[houheffna]

Yet, you do? LOL!!! The only rep that the beatoff writers dictate about Rose is the negative bullshit that has you brainwashed. You say "person" when his negative rep comes from everyone thinking he should have played.... as a player.

As a person, he has donated money, helped his community, and helped make a shitty neighborhood a better place without wanting much recognition. What have you done... other than complain about him? It's only people like you that want to cling on to the negative shit that the worthless, antagonistic 'beat writers' want to drum up.

The beat writers have said what I have said constantly...the Bulls organization don't work with or know Rose as well as other organizations do. That doesn't at all imply that he rapes women. Reinsdorf doesn't have the same relationship with Rose that he had with Jordan, Pippen, etc. Nobody in the organization does.

What is funny is that the beat writers are antagonistic and worthless because they don't support some superhero narrative for Rose. Fact is they have spent an infinite amount of time with him compared to you. Cowley has spent much more time attacking the organization than he did attacking Rose. How is he in anyone's back pocket? Makes no sense.

 

[FirstTimer]

If Bill fucking Cosby can turn out to be a rapist, anybody can. Hell, I didn't believe Kobe "I can understand why she thought it was rape" Bryant did it either. But unless some actual proof comes out, I will assume innocence.

Kobe's was a gold digger.

No rape there. Never was.

 

[Bear Pride]

Oh you sympathize with Rose....not as a fan...as a player...lol. GTFOH. I never spoke of his injuries in this argument. Yet you use a torn ACL to make him a victim...when he is accused of rape? Again...GTFOH. Go back to your statements, your accusations in your posts on this subject. You are the one who came in accusatory. My statement was not towards anyone in particular. Attacking the accuser in these situations happen in society. People side with their heroes.

Needless to say, Rose ain't my hero...none of them are. But then again, I didn't attack the women who accused Bill Cosby of rape either. I didn't attack MLK's best friend for exposing his marriage infidelities. The truth is the truth. I respect Cosby much more than I did Rose...I respect MLK much more than Rose...if they did it...they did it. Rose deserves no better treatment.

I have to say, I find your drama to be be somewhat comical. You say "I use his torn ACL to make Rose a victim"? LOL. Yet you are now bringing Cosby and MLK into the conversation? Again, LOL.

I'm "accusatory"? For finding it comical that as soon there was a negative post about Rose, there YOU were 'sympathizing' with the 'accuser'? ROFL!

I'm not 'sympathizing' with Rose. I'm not viewing Rose as my 'Hero'. And I do not pretend to know Rose any better than anyone here. I'm merely looking at the facts. Yeah, that's right, "Just the facts, Man"!

The beat writers have said what I have said constantly...the Bulls organization don't work with or know Rose as well as other organizations do. That doesn't at all imply that he rapes women. Reinsdorf doesn't have the same relationship with Rose that he had with Jordan, Pippen, etc. Nobody in the organization does.

What is funny is that the beat writers are antagonistic and worthless because they don't support some superhero narrative for Rose. Fact is they have spent an infinite amount of time with him compared to you. Cowley has spent much more time attacking the organization than he did attacking Rose. How is he in anyone's back pocket? Makes no sense.

Again, I find it super comical that you are now bringing Cowley into this conversation. A well documented 'chauvinistic Pig'!!! I'm really 'ROFL'ing now!

"How is he (Cowley) in anyone's back pocket"? Pardon me for a second .......... ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL........... OK, I'm back now, just google Cowley and see that he was fired from the Sox by Reinsdorf, let go from the HOF committee for being a fuckin idiot, and he clearly has an agenda against Reinsdorf and the Bulls, just like YOU do against Rose!

:aj:

 

[FirstTimer]

Ego and entitlement, eh? Sounds like LeBron might be a rapist!

..Wut

 

[houheffna]

I have to say, I find your drama to be be somewhat comical. You say "I use his torn ACL to make Rose a victim"? LOL. Yet you are now bringing Cosby and MLK into the conversation? Again, LOL.

I'm "accusatory"? For finding it comical that as soon there was a negative post about Rose, there YOU were 'sympathizing' with the 'accuser'? ROFL!

I'm not 'sympathizing' with Rose. I'm not viewing Rose as my 'Hero'. And I do not pretend to know Rose any better than anyone here. I'm merely looking at the facts. Yeah, that's right, "Just the facts, Man"!



Again, I find it super comical that you are now bringing Cowley into this conversation. A well documented 'chauvinistic Pig'!!! I'm really 'ROFL'ing now!

"How is he (Cowley) in anyone's back pocket"? Pardon me for a second .......... ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL........... OK, I'm back now, just google Cowley and see that he was fired from the Sox by Reinsdorf, let go from the HOF committee for being a fuckin idiot, and he clearly has an agenda against Reinsdorf and the Bulls, just like YOU do against Rose!

:aj:

Cowley is a beat writer...what beat writers are you talking about besides him? K.C. isn't nearly as inflammatory...so who are you speaking of?

As far as MLK and Cosby goes...I brought them up because you act as if you know what I am thinking. You don't. Keep up with your own thoughts...

My point was no matter who it is... I don't know these people. And I, speaking of myself...I am too damn old to pre judge others based on whether I like or dislike them. Something you may not be able to do just yet. I don't know King, Cosby, Rose...none of these people who are famous. And because I consider King a hero doesn't mean he is innocent of accused wrong doing. I considered Cosby a hero...doesn't make him innocent. And now you are first in line to call this girl a "ho" because she dares to accuse your hero of wrongdoing. I am not surprised.

 

[Bear Pride]

Cowley is a beat writer...what beat writers are you talking about besides him? K.C. isn't nearly as inflammatory...so who are you speaking of?

As far as MLK and Cosby goes...I brought them up because you act as if you know what I am thinking. You don't. Keep up with your own thoughts...

My point was no matter who it is... I don't know these people. And I, speaking of myself...I am too damn old to pre judge others based on whether I like or dislike them. Something you may not be able to do just yet. I don't know King, Cosby, Rose...none of these people who are famous. And because I consider King a hero doesn't mean he is innocent of accused wrong doing. I considered Cosby a hero...doesn't make him innocent. And now you are first in line to call this girl a "ho" because she dares to accuse your hero of wrongdoing. I am not surprised.

Cowley would be the 'one' beat writer I wouldn't pay any attention to, no matter what he said, especially about Women. Stop it with the 'hero' shit, would ya? None of those guys are my hero. Just because MLK and Cosby were guilty doesn't mean Rose is. Get it?

Again, I'm just looking at the facts, and the facts are pretty shaky when it comes to this Woman's story. I referenced the term 'ho' to emphasize my point that that kind of stuff happens about another poster's point. Again, you are very dramatic.