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Kirk Hinrich: Almost dealt to Minnesota at the trade deadline, he rejuvenated his career in a reserve role. "I would love to play my whole career with Chicago," he said. "I grew up a Bulls fan. I love it here. I love the town. But I don't know if that's realistic. We'll see what happens."

Luol Deng: Sidelined since Feb. 28 with a stress fracture in his right tibia, Deng said he continues to rest and rehabilitate to hopefully avoid surgery. He faces a tough decision on whether to play for Britain's national team this summer. "I love playing for them, but it depends on my injury," Deng said. "Resting my body and getting healthy is important. Ultimately, it's my decision, but I'll listen to what [the Bulls] say because I value their input."

Joakim Noah: He's debating a short stint with the French national team, said he'd practice but not play with the Bulls' summer league team and will train at the prestigious IMG Academy in Florida. "If I can take one thing from this series, I was on the floor on my [butt] a lot," Noah said. "And I feel beat up. So I have to get stronger. I added weight between my first and second years, but it wasn't good weight. I wasn't in good shape. I kind of went on a little world tour last year and it slowed me down." That won't happen again.

Tyrus Thomas: Said he really just needs to continue to work on his jump shot and thats it. I want to go into next season taking atleast ten jumpers a game or more. I may not even play defense, I will just stay on the offensive and wait for my guys to come back and feed me on the perimeter.

Brad Miller and John Salmons: Talk about low-maintenance veterans. Miller will be valuable either as a savvy veteran on the floor or because his $12.25 million contract expires. Salmons is a bargain whose contract could be extended. "I love playing here," he said.
 

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Re:Rose starts offseason workout tonight/ other ne

^^Was there a particular reason you changed what they said about Tyrus? Unbelievable how much hatred Bulls fans have for him, just truly unbelievable.

Tyrus Thomas: Del Negro clearly lost faith in him. He played just six of his mere 17 minutes in the second half of Game 7 after sinking the game-winning jumper in Game 1. His future is uncertain.
 

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If Ben Gordon works out at the Berto again this summer, which I think he will, him and Derrick Rose should play one on one. I think it would help both of their defense if they guarded each other a bunch over the summer.
 

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Clearly I made that up. I havent had this much hatred for a Bull since Tyson Chandler.
 

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Re:Rose starts offseason workout tonight/ other ne

anorexorcist wrote:
^^Was there a particular reason you changed what they said about Tyrus? Unbelievable how much hatred Bulls fans have for him, just truly unbelievable.

Tyrus Thomas: Del Negro clearly lost faith in him. He played just six of his mere 17 minutes in the second half of Game 7 after sinking the game-winning jumper in Game 1. His future is uncertain.


Give Tyrus more time, its only the third coach who has lost faith in him.
 

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Re:Rose starts offseason workout tonight/ other ne

I don't think Vinny gave up on Tyrus. He still played him 27 minutes a game. He just wanted to win some playoff games, and Brad Miller, and especially Joakim Noah, were better for that purpose.
 

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Re:Rose starts offseason workout tonight/ other ne

Newskoolbulls wrote:
anorexorcist wrote:
^^Was there a particular reason you changed what they said about Tyrus? Unbelievable how much hatred Bulls fans have for him, just truly unbelievable.

Tyrus Thomas: Del Negro clearly lost faith in him. He played just six of his mere 17 minutes in the second half of Game 7 after sinking the game-winning jumper in Game 1. His future is uncertain.


Give Tyrus more time, its only the third coach who has lost faith in him.

The key with Tyrus was his future is uncertain. It looks like PF is the position we're looking to upgrade. We have our PG,SG,SF and C from what it looks like

I can't wait to see how good Rose will be next year
 

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Re:Rose starts offseason workout tonight/ other ne

Cut Tyrus some slack.

1) He's a Bull, always a good reason to cut someone some slack.

2) He has made very large notable improvements over the past three years. His jumper is much better, his turnover rate is much better, his foul rate is much better.

Sure, he still can't defensively rebound, he's still loses focus rather than hustling all the time, and he still has problems finding his niche on the court. I think it's really unlikely he'll be a star player at this point, but he's still got a very good chance to be a very solid starting caliber player.

Don't let this one series where he got destroyed taint the solid season he had. I think it's just time to set the bar in the right spot. He's not going to be a star, but for his 3.7 million salary next year you sure aren't going to upgrade.
 

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Re:Rose starts offseason workout tonight/ other ne

dougthonus wrote:
Cut Tyrus some slack.

1) He's a Bull, always a good reason to cut someone some slack.

2) He has made very large notable improvements over the past three years. His jumper is much better, his turnover rate is much better, his foul rate is much better.

Sure, he still can't defensively rebound, he's still loses focus rather than hustling all the time, and he still has problems finding his niche on the court. I think it's really unlikely he'll be a star player at this point, but he's still got a very good chance to be a very solid starting caliber player.

Don't let this one series where he got destroyed taint the solid season he had. I think it's just time to set the bar in the right spot. He's not going to be a star, but for his 3.7 million salary next year you sure aren't going to upgrade.

You make excellent points. We have two routes to go with this

Choice A is to make a trade for Bosh,Amare,West,Boozer or Jamison which none of these seem to be likely.

Choice B is to draft a Blair or Patterson and sign Powe or Bass in free agency

I'm going with B because it's more likely. I like what Tyrus does but we can't count on him playing 35+ giving us everything we need. We need to add depth to the PF spot.

I really think Tyrus/Powe would be a nice pairing
 

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I'm going with B because it's more likely. I like what Tyrus does but we can't count on him playing 35+ giving us everything we need. We need to add depth to the PF spot.

Tyrus is going to need to grow a heck of a lot to be a 30 minute+ player next season.
 

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You can point to his jumper getting better and him fouling/turning the ball over less, but he's also getting fewer blocks, steals and rebounds. His FG% and rate of drawing fouls have really tanked too, saved only by his improved free throw shooting. Basically every improvement he's made has been at the cost of him regressing in other areas.

As I've said elsewhere, I think the out of control Tyrus was actually a better player. If we wanted a solid starter we should have just drafted Aldridge, the reason for getting Tyrus was that you want him to do something brilliant. I think it's worth putting up with the stupid plays to get that.
 

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Tyrus has had large improvements over 3 years? He doesn't play team defense, doesn't rotate in the rotations, and I wonder how hard he worked on that jump shot since Big Baby already shots better than him. All he trys to do is block shots. One series of getting beat down the floor? It happened the whole year and thats inexcusable. Ya our right he'll probably be solid starter when hes 26 or 27. Giving us 3 year window to win championship
 

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Re:Rose starts offseason workout tonight/ other ne

dougthonus wrote:
I'm going with B because it's more likely. I like what Tyrus does but we can't count on him playing 35+ giving us everything we need. We need to add depth to the PF spot.

Tyrus is going to need to grow a heck of a lot to be a 30 minute+ player next season.

I don't think he'll be that player which is why I think a Powe/Bass would be a nice pickup. They could fill the extra time plus we select a big in the draft like Blair

I want Tyrus to do well but I think that position is the weak link right now.

I still think Tyrus can improve though but we need insurance at that spot

We got Noah and Miller at C which is great

We got Deng at SF which the main concern is him being healthy but when healthy that position is locked down. We just gotta draft someone to back him up

We got Rose and Salmons in the back court with Kirk backing both up. Our main weakness is PF

and God it sounds weird saying Rose and Salmons and not rose and Gordon
 

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I'd prefer Bass over Powe.

Both are quite equal in that they produce in limited minutes, but I'd prefer Bass just because he isn't as injury prone as Powe. Powe has had lingering injuries recently, whereas Bass has not. Powe has a little better rebounding rate, but Bass is a 80% + free throw shooter, and to have a power forward shooting that percentage at the line is a big plus.

Start Bass, bring Tyrus off the bench.
 

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I like Bass a lot for this team. Bass is unrestricted and Powe is restricted so Boston might even match Powe

Would Dallas match a 3 year 9 mil deal or a 4 year 12 mil for Bass? With Dirk there he'll never play and get the minutes needed and we can probably only offer him 3 mil
 

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a lot of people like Milsap which I think is good but I feel Bass could pull a Milsap if he was given the chance. There numbers are very similar up until this year when Milsap got a chance

I think picking up Bass would be a nice addition to this team and would be a major steal
 

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??? ?????? wrote:
If Ben Gordon works out at the Berto again this summer, which I think he will, him and Derrick Rose should play one on one. I think it would help both of their defense if they guarded each other a bunch over the summer.

Ben Gordon is gone forever friend...
 

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Re:Rose starts offseason workout tonight/ other ne

Brandon Bass? listen to what you people are saying. Are you kidding me. Unless you get a superstar you will be sorry for trading Tyrus. I'm like Fred defending BG, I give up, I'm not gonna bring up the numbers between Bass and Tyrus. IF YOU DON'T BRING IN A SUPERSTAR THERE IS NO ONE BETTER THAN TYRUS, YOU PEOPLE ARE OUT OF YOUR MINDS. HE IS A GREAT SHOT BLOCKER AND IS THE, THE THE BEST ATHLETE AT THE PF POSITION. Not to mention he is like a Thabeet in regards to him not playing organized ball for that long. Imagine if BG or Derrick hadn't played until their sophmore or junior year in high school. Even if he has played all his life, he would be a senior in colllege this year. Big Baby, Brandon Bass are older than him. IF YOU TRADE TYRUS FOR ANYTHING BUT A SUPERSTAR WE WILL BE SORRY. Oh and we wouldn't want Tyson this year? We traded Tyson for P.J. Brown and J.R. Smith, that was terrible, I would've kept anyone for that trade please. DON"T TRADE TYRUS!!!!
 

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