Rothschild Picks up Option...

[Capt. Serious]

CO, you're the same guy that thinks Randy Wells is good.

No wonder you think Rothschild is a god to you.

 

[DewsSox79]

You guys are right, it's not like we've led the league in K's his first 8 years and have been in the top 5 since.

And before you go and say he ruins arms, Woody and Prior were fucked before Rothschild got ahold of them.

I know that you can't name 5 pitching coaches better than him.

first off you were 8 years old during the prior and wood era but whatever.

so that is your reasoning for a best pitching coach,,,k's wow!

duncan
mezzone
cooper
eiland
anderson
hickey
etc etc do you want me to go on?

 

[DewsSox79]

Duncan, Cooper, Righetti, (Mike) Maddux, Price

There ya go.

good list too.

 

[kleenexbox]

I'm fine with this, Cubs pitching wasn't their problem this year. They led the NL in quality starts.

Now paying 850,000 for a hitting coach is a bit ridiculous no matter who it is.

 

[poodski]

Larry Rothschild and Walks

Thats a nice article on why Rothschild is really good.

 

[poodski]

Personally I dont think its debatable that Rothschild is a top 5 pitching coach. I don't see many out there that can really even compete. Cooper sure, Duncan absolutely. Maddux, eh. Righetti, eh Price, no way.

I think they are up there, but I would take Rothschild over everyone except Cooper and Duncan. I think 3-8 are pretty even I suppose, but Rothschild is definitely in that discussion.

 

[DewsSox79]

great that the k's are high

4.18 era rank 21 in MLB
1.40 whip rank 24
that is in the NL, and the NL central. not good.

 

[kleenexbox]

great that the k's are high

4.18 era rank 21 in MLB
1.40 whip rank 24
that is in the NL, and the NL central. not good.

That's one year, why aren't you looking at his body of work? Not to mention, he has turned pitchers like Silva around.

 

[tbo41fan]

I think he's underrated. He doesn't get a lot of credit for the K master he is. Wood had problems long before the Larry era. Prior is a genetic freak, you can't blame that on the pitching coach.

I would say he's a top 5 pitching coach. If you can get someone better, I'd be fine with change. But not unless we can improve.

Im as much a Cubs fan as you are...but I can't agree with that...just my opinion

greg fucking maddux

:jizz:

 

[poodski]

great that the k's are high

4.18 era rank 21 in MLB
1.40 whip rank 24
that is in the NL, and the NL central. not good.

So you are going off of one year? Not to mention using ERA and WHIP are pretty poor stats to go off of.

Cubs were 6th in xFIP in 2009, 4th in 2008, 5th in 2007, 2nd in 2005, 1st in 2004, 2nd in 2003, 3rd in 2002.

And really since 2006 hasnt had a great pitcher on the team. I will take Rothschild over just about anyone.

 

[poodski]

greg fucking maddux

Has he said he wants to be a pitching coach?

From my understanding he is happy doing what he is doing now.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Personally I dont think its debatable that Rothschild is a top 5 pitching coach. I don't see many out there that can really even compete. Cooper sure, Duncan absolutely. Maddux, eh. Righetti, eh Price, no way.

I think they are up there, but I would take Rothschild over everyone except Cooper and Duncan. I think 3-8 are pretty even I suppose, but Rothschild is definitely in that discussion.

Yeah....no.

 

[poodski]

Yeah....no.

Awesome rebuttal.

All I hear is people saying he isn't top 5, but I haven't heard any reasoning as to why. Or any real factual evidence to support otherwise.

 

[DewsSox79]

turning silva around? maybe because he went from the al to the nl?

what has he done for the unproven pitchers for the cubs? everyone knew demp,lilly(could be effective in the NL) zambrano could do. what has he done to correct the suckfest of randy wells, the control of marmol? in the past few years he was given a starting staff that didnt need alot of grooming.

he excercised his option, not a done deal that he will be back next year if the new manager wants someone else.

and anyone who goes to the extreme of stating that they would take him over anybody is just flat out Special person.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Jeff Samardzija is a stud i heard.

 

[poodski]

turning silva around? maybe because he went from the al to the nl?

I would agree with that. I think its partially due to Rothschild, but more because he came from the AL to the NL, and the Seattle coaching staff might as well be a bunch of monkeys trying to **** a doorknob.

what has he done for the unproven pitchers for the cubs?

What about Clement? Even Jerome Williams had a good year.

everyone knew demp,lilly(could be effective in the NL) zambrano could do.

He still gave them the best years of their careers. Dempster went from so-so reliever to now a front line starter.

what has he done to correct the suckfest of randy wells,

Well I dont think Randy Wells was really cut out for the bigs anyhow, he just got lucky in 2009, and was a bit unlucky in 2010. Though I wouldnt call a sub 4 FIP, a suckfest, nor the 4.26 ERA. Thats just fine for a guy who can't strike anyone out.

the control of marmol?

Eh, thats more a myth. He actually hits the zone at a good clip, just players don't swing. Regardless when you strike out 16 per nine, and have only given up 3 HR's in two years you are allowed to walk 6 per nine.

in the past few years he was given a starting staff that didnt need alot of grooming.

Still are pitchers falling apart under him? Are we seeing players just fall apart (not due to injuries)?

and anyone who goes to the extreme of stating that they would take him over anybody is just flat out Special person.

Over anyone? No, I would still take Duncan and Cooper, but I wouldn't get rid of him for the chance of anyone else. I am happy staying status quo with Rothschild. I don't think our pitching is the problem.

 

[poodski]

Jeff Samardzija is a stud i heard.

A pitching prospect faltered?

OMG! That's never happened before!!!

 

[DewsSox79]

id keep him only if there is none of the listed guys available. i wouldnt gamble on replaceing him just due to a new regime.

 

[poodski]

id keep him only if there is none of the listed guys available. i wouldnt gamble on replaceing him just due to a new regime.

I wouldnt give him up for Maddux, but I dont think he is that good.

Anderson? Probably though.

Mazzone, again I don't think he would accept the job.

 

[Captain Obvious]

CO, you're the same guy that thinks Randy Wells is good.

No wonder you think Rothschild is a god to you.

That would be because Randy Wells is good. He's an average pitcher making league minimum. That's a wonderful asset to have.

first off you were 8 years old during the prior and wood era but whatever.

so that is your reasoning for a best pitching coach,,,k's wow!

duncan
mezzone
cooper
eiland
anderson
hickey
etc etc do you want me to go on?

Oh, you're right, I was 8. That automatically means I can't know shit.


As Poods said, I would love for you guys to back these names with some facts.