Ryan Poles Responsibility for JF's Injury

[napo55]

Poles failure to prioritize support forJustin Fields in the draft and free agency did not help an O line that led the league in sacks last year. His failure to add serious talent to the receiving corps meant that Mooney could be double teamed and once again the Bears are at the bottom in receiving yards.

So JF was required to carry the entire offense on his back and his runs were pretty much the whole show--with the predictable injury that followed.

How anybody has confidence in Poles is a mystery that defies explanation.

 

[msadows]

Thanks for making a thread about the obvious.

 

[napo55]

Thanks for making a thread about the obvious.

Glad you agree. There are still a lot of Poles supporters...

 

[Hawkeye OG]

Tough to write Poles off after one offseason with limited resources. Pace really fucked this team (@dabears70). I agree he didn't do much to help out Fields, he's looking big picture though over 5 years and not just immediate. Cleared a ton of dead cap space in anticipation for 2023. I can't blame Poles for not attacking the WR room in FA - the market was slim. I do question his VJJ pick and lack of effort on the OL. I believe in his introductory PC he mentioned building in the trenches, so I expect heavy resources to be dumped into the OL/DL this upcoming offseason.

 

[and 69 others]

Glad you agree. There are still a lot of Poles supporters...

k

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Yeah poles had some garbage priorities in 2022 maybe he can learn from his blunders for 2023.

 

[Myk]

Coming in with talk about the importance of oline then going defense with the top 2 picks made me not like him.
If I need to give him time part of that time is his first moves. His first moves were not good.
He gets time whether I like it or not.

 

[Bust]

Next season is playoff or bust for Eberflub and crew.

GM will be the last to go. Scapegoats will start with the head coach getting rid of his subordinates to save his job . . .

 

[and 69 others]

As a general rule, I don't grade anyone's performance in their first try at something. This upcoming offseason will be his real test, hopefully he learned a lot in his first year.

Of course, there's always ppl who have no patience and like to jump to conclusions b/c they're ignorant, lazy minded losers.

 

[ZenBear34]

Coming in with talk about the importance of oline then going defense with the top 2 picks made me not like him.
If I need to give him time part of that time is his first moves. His first moves were not good.
He gets time whether I like it or not.

Braxton Jones has outplayed every tackle drafted before him. So I guess you would feel better if he drafted a tackle in the 2nd round? But the results would be worse.

Poles had limited resources, what did you want him to do?

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Braxton Jones has outplayed every tackle drafted before him. So I guess you would feel better if he drafted a tackle in the 2nd round? But the results would be worse.

Poles had limited resources, what did you want him to do?

Apparently rid the team of all the bad contracts and refill the team with talent in one off season with the most dead money and no first round pick.

Sounds easy enough.

 

[mecha]

you're not going to rebuild the whole team through 1 draft. there were holes top to bottom, it's not like only the receivers or only the offensive line were anemic. and I keep saying, yes, you can go buy players in free agency, but by time you've rebuilt the team to make it a contender, you have to extend them all again. you're back in the same position Pace left the team then.

I like the Poles long game strategy more than Pace's "we're going to draft a quarterback every year!" while trading away high level draft picks for other teams players that don't fit into the long-term plans. and missing on drafts.

VJJ can do shit as we've seen in very limited reps. I can't tell you what's going through the coaches minds but I can tell you this, they get paid money to do what they do. if they don't like what they see, then that's their call. it's not up to us. pissing and moaning about it on a message board that the organization doesn't read is counterproductive and makes you look very silly.

 

[oso4lyf]

Passing on George Pickens was enough for me to to say this guy sucks. I wish I could say he's shown absolutely nothing, but he has has. He has shown he's not very good at this so far.

Last think this organization that is chalk full with inept executives that don't have a raging clue about the actual football aspect is a GM learning on the job.

 

[Myk]

Braxton Jones has outplayed every tackle drafted before him. So I guess you would feel better if he drafted a tackle in the 2nd round? But the results would be worse.

Poles had limited resources, what did you want him to do?

I don't know what you're high on but it's a lot stronger than weed if you think Jones is outplaying "every tackle taken before him".

There were other oline positions of need besides OT more suited to 2nd round. There were also WRs taken after our picks that have proven themselves to be of more value to their teams than our CB & S.

 

[Bust]

I don't know what you're high on but it's a lot stronger than weed if you think Jones is outplaying "every tackle taken before him".

There were other oline positions of need besides OT more suited to 2nd round. There were also WRs taken after our picks that have proven themselves to be of more value to their teams than our CB & S.

bruh, Braxton Jones was a 5th round pick.

 

[Bust]

Passing on George Pickens was enough for me to to say this guy sucks. I wish I could say he's shown absolutely nothing, but he has has. He has shown he's not very good at this so far.

Last think this organization that is chalk full with inept executives that don't have a raging clue about the actual football aspect is a GM learning on the job.

Bears have a habit of going with inexperienced hires.

1st time learning as we go head coach (Eberflub should have been canned or vetoed from above making the team practice outdoors in the cold when the following game was indoors at Atlanta)

1st time GM

rookie coordinators

it is what it is

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Passing on George Pickens was enough for me to to say this guy sucks. I wish I could say he's shown absolutely nothing, but he has has. He has shown he's not very good at this so far.

Last think this organization that is chalk full with inept executives that don't have a raging clue about the actual football aspect is a GM learning on the job.

Plenty of teams passed on George Pickens. Oh well.

But yeah, failure because he failed to draft Pickens. Not like Gordon and Brisker have shown to be actual busts at their pick either.

VJJ is, as it stands, a reach but that was a 3rd rounder and guys like Pierce and Pickens were already gone.

It comes down to crying because he went defense instead of offense. Even though a secondary starting Kindle Vildor needed an influx of talent.

 

[BeerFan]

General comment:
CCS members, as a rule, doNOT want to draft OL (non-playmakers) in the first 2 rounds. They want the the explosive playmakers, i.e., WR, Edge Rusher, etc. instead (i.e fantasy football stat guys). But the WR cannot make plays IF the QB does not have time to / and/or consistent pocket to throw from. With that said, Fields gives them more time by scrambling. Think if he had consistent and didn't need to scramble every pass play.
If Poles invests in OL in FA and OL early in the the draft, the Bears could have an exciting offense without Fields needing to rush for 100+ yards a game.
Be patient until FA, draft, and see what they can put together.

Edit: I addition, how long has it been since the Bears actually adjusted plays and scheme based upon team skills as well as adjusting during the game. The Bears coaching staff is doing that yet some want them to be fired? Just ridiculous. Some CSS members are brain dread.

 

[Bust]

General comment:
CCS members, as a rule, doNOT want to draft OL (non-playmakers) in the first 2 rounds. They want the the explosive playmakers, i.e., WR, Edge Rusher, etc. instead (i.e fantasy football stat guys). But the WR cannot make plays IF the QB does not have time to / and/or consistent pocket to throw from. With that said, Fields gives them more time by scrambling. Think if he had consistent and didn't need to scramble every pass play.
If Poles invests in OL in FA and OL early in the the draft, the Bears could have an exciting offense without Fields needing to rush for 100+ yards a game.
Be patient until FA, draft, and see what they can put together.

Edit: I addition, how long has it been since the Bears actually adjusted plays and scheme based upon team skills as well as adjusting during the game. The Bears coaching staff is doing that yet some want them to be fired? Just ridiculous. Some CSS members are brain dread.

Claypool's rook season highlights. Look at how fast those balls are gone! 2 seconds after the snap. Roth DOES NOT have 4 seconds to throw that's for sure (the time CCS noobs expect from the bears o line)

 

[ZenBear34]

I don't know what you're high on but it's a lot stronger than weed if you think Jones is outplaying "every tackle taken before him".

There were other oline positions of need besides OT more suited to 2nd round. There were also WRs taken after our picks that have proven themselves to be of more value to their teams than our CB & S.

Name a tackle who has been better. The defense needs way more help than the offense. The Bears are averaging 29.6 ppg the last 5 weeks. Brisker looks like a stud. The narrative does not match the facts.