Ryan Poles Responsibility for JF's Injury

[bears51/40]

You're gonna love when they draft Willl Anderson or Jalen Carter with the first pick. And yes, that would be the right move.

Actually, if the Bears stay at 2 or 3 in the draft the right move would be to trade down and take BPA.

 

[remydat]

We were at that time talking about Jenkins as a tackle, not a underling guard. And does he ever even play? LOL at the Lions line being better, when they are top 5-10 and the Bears O-line is the absolute bottom of the barrel. This does not even bring into the equation that the level of competition the Lions has faced so far has been better, a stat that PFF never brings into the equation. All three of the Lions interior line positions have had significant injury issues, and yet they still rate out much higher as a unit, Your arguement at that time was my comparisons of the two lines was based on pure speculation? Well guess what spanky, I was right, and you were wrong. that Lucas Patrick trade that everyone thought was so good? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA he sucks some major ass. Sam Mustipher actually grades out significantly better per your precisous PFF.

Again you are lying. The debate below was you claiming your opinion was fact. I said to you the young guys on the line could improve and they have in fact improved. I literally said I was not claiming the Bears were better. I was stating your opinions are just that opinions. Hence why I noted that last year when Jonah Jackson was shit you said he would get better but then you were arguing Jenkins and Borom would not. You were wrong. Jenkins went from a 47 grade to a 78 grade which again I said is not unexpected with first year players. The debate was always around the stupidity in you quoting PFF stats for rookies allowing for those rookies to improve when they were Lions but saying it is fact Bears rookies would not improve.

1). But that is not what you were claiming. You were claiming it is fact the OL sucks and based it on subjective grades which is ********. Note, Jonah Jackson had a 57 grade last year and improved to 69. Jenkins had a terrible first game after being off for over a year with a 25. His next 2 games if you combine his states he had a 67.2 and a 75. You are ignoring the fact he was coming off a one year layoff after defending Sewell's slow start after a layoff. You are also ignoring that as a 2nd year player he can experience a jump like you claimed Jackson could have despite his 57 grade last year.

2). Translation - You know you are wrong.

3). Yes but only stupid people claim that extrapolation is fact like you have. The issue is not you having that opinion. The issue is you passing it off as fact.

4). It is more likely for 1st year guys to experience a jump in performance and that is what I did. I have Borom and Jenkins improving just like you claimed Jackson will. I have Whitehair remaining the same and I have Patrick at a grade consistent with his 2020 performance. So again this is a strawman. I don't have anyone on the OL making significant jumps outside of the 2 rookies where such jumps are expected even by you.

So again you are full of shit. You are claiming facts about rookies for the same things you defended Jackson and Sewell against.

This makes no sense. I am not arguing that the Bears OL will be better than the Lions. I am arguing your opinion is not a fact.

I will make you a wager that your opinion is really just an opinion and you can't prove you are psychic.

Now, put your money where your mouth is *****, or STFU.

It is sad that after months and months you still can't comprehend the argument. You were 100% wrong about Jenkins. Sorry.

 

[bears51/40]

Lions have 2 1sts this year, as well as two 2nds. What makes you so sure they can't trade up?

Hell, if the Rams and Lions stay where they are currently ranked you should beg Poles to make that trade.

 

[Myk]

There are tons of very good offensive lineman in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, not to mention the 130 million we have in cap space. Just like last draft and now the upcoming draft, you draft the besrt available player of a position in need. Edge or 3tech is also a position in need in 2023.

There are tons of very good defensive lineman in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, not to mention the 130 million we have in cap space. And guess what, defensive FA is much deeper this coming off season to actually spend that $130M that isn't going to get spent drafting defense over offense with CBA rookie contract rules.
You're really bad at Monday morning GM play.

It's not rocket science. If it low level talent can play oline then it doesn't take top talent to beat them. You know few other teams put such little value on oline and you want to see sacks. It's not what's best to compete in the modern NFL, it's what you want for nostalgia.
Meanwhile you are seeing the sacks, of our own QB.

If he would've drafted the BPA he would've got at least one WR in the 2nd. That's only more any defense >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any offense talk that is the cause of this team sucking for the last 40 years or so.

 

[nc0gnet0]

One team is as bottomed out as you can possibly get. The other has been drafting in the top 5 for the past 20 years and was a playoff dark horse by many.

Congrats!

Many? not sure about that. But I really have no beef with you, you were not one of the kool aid drinkers prior to the start of the year, and I agreed with many of your observations. Poles did JF dirty.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Hell, if the Rams and Lions stay where they are currently ranked you should beg Poles to make that trade.

If Stafford and Kupp are both out the remainder of the year, there is a good chance the Rams pick ends up higher than the Bears.

 

[Myk]

Actually, if the Bears stay at 2 or 3 in the draft the right move would be to trade down and take BPA.

Bingo! If you have a QB worthy pick you trade it down with as much lack of talent as we have. Or you draft a QB.
But these fools would rather get flags for roughing the passer and get players who can be negated by holding with no flags because they have some delusions that Papa Bear only wanted defense and delusions that the rules haven't changed since the '40s.

I'm really curious why we traded Mack for a song if the right move is to turn around and draft someone we hope can be as good as Mack again.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Again you are lying. The debate below was you claiming your opinion was fact. I said to you the young guys on the line could improve and they have in fact improved. I literally said I was not claiming the Bears were better. I was stating your opinions are just that opinions. Hence why I noted that last year when Jonah Jackson was shit you said he would get better but then you were arguing Jenkins and Borom would not. You were wrong. Jenkins went from a 47 grade to a 78 grade which again I said is not unexpected with first year players. The debate was always around the stupidity in you quoting PFF stats for rookies allowing for those rookies to improve when they were Lions but saying it is fact Bears rookies would not improve.





It is sad that after months and months you still can't comprehend the argument. You were 100% wrong about Jenkins. Sorry.

I wasn't 100 % wrong about Jenkins, plug him in at tackle and see how he does.....
So yeah, you moved a high second rounder from tackle to guard to save his career, congrats on that.
The fact remains, my opinion was dead on. End of discussion. Your argument was I could not use previous years grades to project forward to the upcoming years performance. The fact is, yes you can, and it is in full display right now, dufus. Your trying to nick pick a few individuals when my argument was always the O-line as a unit. Typical Remy horseshit. Gets proven wrong, then tries to move the goal posts.

 

[remydat]

I have no delusions as I am quite sure the Lions will lose today. But, looking at the remainder of thier schedule:

Bills
Jags
Vikings
Jets
Panthers
Bears
Packers

4-5 wins is easily obtainable if they manage to stay "reasonably" healthy

meanwhile the Bears:

Jets
Packers
Eagles
Bills
Lions
Vikings

Lucky to win one more game this year.

Which means, my preseason predicitons of each teams record was spot on.

Of course all the CCS posters that said there is no way the Bears are finishing in last place, no way the Lions end with a better record, are falling all over themselves with excuses.

What is even more interesting is the Rams falling off a cliff, and there is a very good chance their first round pick might indeed be a top 5 pick.

You are famous for saying when you make statements you didnt account for changes like injuries or late signings. The Bears were better than the Lions until they traded Quinn and Quan.

Most smart Bears fans now are happy if we dont win again.

 

[remydat]

I wasn't 100 % wrong about Jenkins, plug him in at tackle and see how he does.....
So yeah, you moved a high second rounder from tackle to guard to save his career, congrats on that.
The fact remains, my opinion was dead on. End of discussion. Your argument was I could not use previous years grades to project forward to the upcoming years performance. The fact is, yes you can, and it is in full display right now, dufus. Your trying to nick pick a few individuals when my argument was always the O-line as a unit. Typical Remy horseshit. Gets proven wrong, then tries to move the goal posts.

Nope your claim was he would suck. He does not.

Again you cant read. No one disputed your opinion. You kept saying it was fact and I told you it was opinion. So you are admitting I was right all along by now calling it an opinion. Bout time dumbass.

 

[remydat]

Oh look, another Remy vortex of going round and round.
You have already shown that Ecky graded higher than Jones.
"you asked me to find 4 times." like a never ending suck of insanity.

Not overall dummy. Jones is higher overall. Ecky is slightly higher pass blocking. That is a win because Poles got a similar player in 5th that Panthers drafted in first.

No you arent out to get me. You are just biased and will ignore things that dont fit your narrative.

Like what is your argument here? Jones grades out higher overall and been on the list you asked me to find, 4 times. Your premise was wrong. Sorry.

The above says he has been on the list you asked me to find, 4 times. List is singular ie you only asked for it once. I was saying I found out he was on that list 4 times not that you asked me to find it 4 times as that would make no sense given I know you only asked once.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Nope your claim was he would suck. He does not.

Again you cant read. No one disputed your opinion. You kept saying it was fact and I told you it was opinion. So you are admitting I was right all along by now calling it an opinion. Bout time dumbass.

If I stated it as fact, and it is, just as I stated it would be.........
splitting straws and wrong again, dumbass.

 

[remydat]

If I stated it as fact, and it is, just as I stated it would be.........
splitting straws and wrong again, dumbass.

No stupid. It is not fact until it happens. Jesus are you dumb.

If I say today KC will win the SB, it is not fact if they end up winning. It was an opinion/prediction.

 

[bears51/40]

If Stafford and Kupp are both out the remainder of the year, there is a good chance the Rams pick ends up higher than the Bears.

I doubt that very much. Right now, ESPN's projections have the Bears with the #2 pick, Lions through the Rams at #5. We will know much more in five weeks though.