Salary Cap increase by $2.84M to $59.64M

[Guest]

Neither hit all their A bonuses. They are broken down. They are too COUNTED AGAINST THE CAP until they can no longer obtain them.



Example two years ago Barker started in Rockford. This was PRIMARILY because with his bonus counting he shoved the Hawks over the cap. I believe it was a "consecutive games played" bonus. Once he could not play that amount of games at the NHL level, he was brought up directly due to his Cap hit not counting or no longer obtainable.



Now Toews Con Smyth bonus is different so that 1.3 mil comes RIGHT off of the Cap.



To add more LTIR was NOT used with any of the players because if it had been that TOO would have become a Cap hit. So when Hossa, Campbell and any other player went out NONE of them were put on LTIR from my understanding.



There are so many falsehoods out there about this subject the ONLY ones that really know are the Hawks front office. That said I am in the corner that we will be about 57mil where the league will be 1.3 mil higher due to Toews Con Smyth Cap Hit. Until I'm proven wrong by facts or something directly from the organization to the Public that's what I'm going on.



Bonuses COUNT against the Cap until they are not able to obtain them. It's always been like that. Now I think there is a relief point there, which does hit the Cap but seriously do not think the Hawks used it.



Time will tell.



Small price to pay to say 1009-2010 STANLEY CUP CHAMPION CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS!

 

[IceHogsFan]

[quote name="R K"]



I was told that only 1.3 mil was extra from Toews for winning the Con Smyth and that ANY bonus PK received was already figured into the Cap.



So therefor we have an extra 1.5 Mil. Instead of having less with the Cap not moving. The ONLY reason the Cap was not fixed this year is the players voted Yes to the Kicker.[/quote]



I keep forgetting about the bonus issue. I stand corrected. Either way it gives us as a winning Stanley Cup team to be more competitive because we may be able to retain some talent that we thought would be lost.



I wonder why other teams that are not against the cap now and are not that competitive, would want a team like ours to have more money to retain or gather more talent? I am not even sure how many teams are against the cap last season, care to answer?

 

[Pez68]

This is good news.

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

I just went over to NHLnumbers.com and looked at the cap numbers posted for next season. Although not authoritative, it says that the current Hawks cap hit is $57.5 mill with only $1.2 mil in cap space.

http://nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=CHI&season=1011&expand=y



I clicked on the numbers for every other team. Only two other teams currently have cap hit above $50 mill (Calgary = $53.8, Boston = $50.3). As for the rest, about half are in the 30s, and half in the 40s. So lots of teams with lots of cap space.



It is often said that all or most teams have the same cap problems. That is not true. Many teams have cap issues, but nothing like the Hawks.



-5Minutes

 

[Guest]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]I just went over to NHLnumbers.com and looked at the cap numbers posted for next season. Although not authoritative, it says that the current Hawks cap hit is $57.5 mill with only $1.2 mil in cap space.

http://nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=CHI&season=1011&expand=y



I clicked on the numbers for every other team. Only two other teams currently have cap hit above $50 mill (Calgary = $53.8, Boston = $50.3). As for the rest, about half are in the 30s, and half in the 40s. So lots of teams with lots of cap space.



It is often said that all or most teams have the same cap problems. That is not true. Many teams have cap issues, but nothing like the Hawks.



-5Minutes[/quote]



Factor in the Contracts DUE. Try the Penguins and Caps, who have several players that will command 5 mil plus in NEW contracts.



There are at least four teams with Cap issues caused by players NOT under contracts next year. Difference is the Hawks CORE is under contract.



Thats why you see what you do.

 

[Larmer83]

Here's the Hawks 2009-10 archive payroll from capgeek-

http://www.capgeek.com/archive/team.php?Team=11&date=



Notice the 56.8 million upper limit and the max performance bonus of 5 million which all falls to Kane and/or Toews. One single report had both obtaining all A and B bonus amounts which is impossible since the Hawks would have violated the cap upper limit. We will have to wait for something to be official.



A couple things to keep in mind...



the Upper Limit shall be temporarily raised

by ten (10) percent to permit Clubs additional flexibility

with their Averaged Club Salaries during the period from

July 1 until and including the last day of Training Camp.



So if the cap goes to 59.6 mil as this thread suggests, the Hawks can at the very least now qualify several RFA's since they have at least 65.6 million to play with.

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

[quote name="R K"]



Factor in the Contracts DUE. Try the Penguins and Caps, who have several players that will command 5 mil plus in NEW contracts.

There are at least four teams with Cap issues caused by players NOT under contracts next year. Difference is the Hawks CORE is under contract.

Thats why you see what you do.[/quote]

Really? Who on Washington? And who on Pitt besides Gonchar? But both teams have a lot more cap space than the Hawks.



The Hawks MUST give up a few really good players. No other team is in that situation.



-5Minutes

 

[Guest]

Wash



Theodore this year Semin next



Pitt



Gonchar and 9 payers in the tune of about 12 mil.



The Hawks are closer you are right but they arguably have far more talent that most teams, which is kind of why they just won the Cup.



The core is not going anywhere.



-RK

 

[Larmer83]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]

Really? Who on Washington? And who on Pitt besides Gonchar? But both teams have a lot more cap space than the Hawks.



The Hawks MUST give up a few really good players. No other team is in that situation.



-5Minutes[/quote]

RFA's...

Schultz Dman- was a +50 this past season.

Fleischmann- 23 goals, 51 points last season

Fehr-21 goals



That 15 million in cap space gets reduced quickly with just these 3 players.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Larmer83"]

RFA's...

Schultz Dman- was a +50 this past season.

Fleischmann- 23 goals, 51 points last season

Fehr-21 goals



That 15 million in cap space gets reduced quickly with just these 3 players.[/quote]



5 minutes was only looking at UFA, Not RFA.

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

I was just looking at the numbers posted at CapGeek.com, and some of them are quite different than what's at NHLnumbers.com. Coupled with the fact that the salary cap itself is a big mystery to many including myself, I think it best to not sweat the details too much. I just hope the Stanley Cup makes it thru the summer in one piece, and most of the team is sober when camp breaks. And yes we all know the core isn't going anywhere.

CapGeek:

http://capgeek.com/



-5Minutes

 

[Guest]

Larry you can't really go by either of those. While I'm sure they give a somewhat picture the only numbers correct are the ones in the front office. Just like everyone saying PK and JT hit ALL of their bonuses, which clearly isn't true. The Hawks shed about 12 mil in Salary, with players that now have their name on the SC, so it shouldn't be too difficult, they will be fine and compete for the SC all over again.



just like you predicted there buddy.

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

Gotcha.

BTW IHF, it was your post above that got me curious about other team's caps. So check out those links, CapGeek has a page on last year's totals for all teams.

This may be the page: http://capgeek.com/archive/



-5Minutes

 

[Maiden]

[quote name="MassHavoc"]

I mean this as a serious question: Why wouldn't the players vote to raise the cap?[/quote]



Main reason is the players will have to hold back more of their paychecks into escrow in case revenue projections are off to the point where the money goes back to the owners. Unless this economy kick starts itself very soon at some point the players are going to have to rethink the escalator.

 

[Maiden]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]I just went over to NHLnumbers.com and looked at the cap numbers posted for next season. Although not authoritative, it says that the current Hawks cap hit is $57.5 mill with only $1.2 mil in cap space.

http://nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=CHI&season=1011&expand=y



I clicked on the numbers for every other team. Only two other teams currently have cap hit above $50 mill (Calgary = $53.8, Boston = $50.3). As for the rest, about half are in the 30s, and half in the 40s. So lots of teams with lots of cap space.



It is often said that all or most teams have the same cap problems. That is not true. Many teams have cap issues, but nothing like the Hawks.



-5Minutes[/quote]



Teams may have lots of cap space on paper but management has a strict budget in mind for many of the teams and they wont spend to the cap max. So it may appear many teams have plenty of cap room but in reality they dont.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Maiden"]



Main reason is the players will have to hold back more of their paychecks into escrow in case revenue projections are off to the point where the money goes back to the owners. Unless this economy kick starts itself very soon at some point the players are going to have to rethink the escalator.[/quote]



By that time it'll be re written in the new CBA. Along with the destruction of the front loaded contract.

 

[Guest]

These Cap rules are way to confusing for me, and I'd like to call myself a stat wizard.



Anyone have a site or article that breaks down the cap and how bonuses, salaries and all that other crap figures into it?



Thanks!

 

[Tater]

[quote name="TJD"]These Cap rules are way to confusing for me, and I'd like to call myself a stat wizard.



Anyone have a site or article that breaks down the cap and how bonuses, salaries and all that other crap figures into it?



Thanks![/quote]



There's a lot of other things we'd like to call you. :lol:

 

[Larmer83]

The official # is 59.4 million.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=325481



Since the Hawks were about 300K in actual salary(Not counting bonus $) under the 2009-10 cap, the 1.3 mil for the Conn Smythe effectively reduces the Hawks cap to 58.4 million. As of now, it remains to be seen if other bonus money was earned.

 

[Larmer83]

Bill Zito, Niemi's agent, on WSCR this a.m. stated the bonus cap hit for Toews and Kane is 4.2 million. If true, that effectively drops the Hawks cap to 55.4 million.