Salary Cap increase by $2.84M to $59.64M

[Guest]

[quote name="Larmer83"]Bill Zito, Niemi's agent, on WSCR this a.m. stated the bonus cap hit for Toews and Kane is 4.2 million. If true, that effectively drops the Hawks cap to 55.4 million.[/quote]





One Zito is not JT's Agent and two, more importantly Toews and Kanes bonus's were factored into the Cap before the Season started. EXCEPT the Con Smythe Bonus.



Toews did NOT hit his A bonus. I'm 100% positive.

 

[Five_Hole]

[quote name="R K"]





One Zito is not JT's Agent and two, more importantly Toews and Kanes bonus's were factored into the Cap before the Season started. EXCEPT the Con Smythe Bonus.



Toews did NOT hit his A bonus. I'm 100% positive.[/quote]



The cap still mystifies me so forgive me if this has already been asked and answered.



But if the bonuses, other than the Conn Smythe bonus, were factored into the cap before the season started and one or both of Toews and Kane did not qualify for those bonuses, how does that effect their cap hit? Shouldn't it be modified down so as to account for not getting the bonuses?

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

[quote name="R K"]





One Zito is not JT's Agent and two, more importantly Toews and Kanes bonus's were factored into the Cap before the Season started. EXCEPT the Con Smythe Bonus.



Toews did NOT hit his A bonus. I'm 100% positive.[/quote]

I've read a couple of places that Toews and Kane both DID hit their A bonuses. Not sure about their B bonuses. Now, I need to find the links.



Edit:

They both hit their A bonuses.

We as the public really don't know what any of these are.

According to needbiggerboat (Mike), B bonuses are harder to obtain, like the Conn Smythe. According to him the A bonuses were reached.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="BlackhawkPaul"]

I've read a couple of places that Toews and Kane both DID hit their A bonuses. Not sure about their B bonuses. Now, I need to find the links.[/quote]





Top 10 in the league in Scoring. Toews did not. Kane how ever did.



Thats for the A bonus.



And again, according to my understanding, from an AGENT, those bonus's are FIGURED in the Cap until it is impossible for them to obtain them. During the regular season.



Toews recieved his B bonus and the 1.3 mil for the Con Smythe.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

All these "I heard that..." and "I read that...." about bonuses and the Cap is why we are all doing something else for a living.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

[quote name="R K"]





Top 10 in the league in Scoring. Toews did not. Kane how ever did.



Thats for the A bonus.



And again, according to my understanding, from an AGENT, those bonus's are FIGURED in the Cap until it is impossible for them to obtain them. During the regular season.



Toews recieved his B bonus and the 1.3 mil for the Con Smythe.[/quote]





Kane qualified for top ten in points, assists, 1st team, possibly more...

Again, I'd love for some one to post the list of qualifying A bonuses.



Edit: Toews was in the top 5 for the Selke voting. That should be B bonus.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Five_Hole"]



The cap still mystifies me so forgive me if this has already been asked and answered.



But if the bonuses, other than the Conn Smythe bonus, were factored into the cap before the season started and one or both of Toews and Kane did not qualify for those bonuses, how does that effect their cap hit? Shouldn't it be modified down so as to account for not getting the bonuses?[/quote]



I don't think it matters. Take Barker year before last. Team was at the Cap. Barker had a "games played bonus" so they sent him to the AHL until his bonus was NOT obtainable.



I'm pretty sure the bonus's counted before the season started.

 

[Larmer83]

[quote name="BlackhawkPaul"]





Kane qualified for top ten in points, assists, 1st team, possibly more...

Again, I'd love for some one to post the list of qualifying A bonuses.



Edit: Toews was in the top 5 for the Selke voting. That should be B bonus.[/quote]

From Exhibit 5, page 260.

http://www.nhl.com/cba/2005-CBA.pdf



1. Individual "A" Bonuses Paid by Clubs

The maximum amount payable for any single category of Individual "A" Bonuses

identified below is $212,500 per season. (For example, an Entry Level SPC may not

contain bonuses of $212,500 for 20 goals and an additional $212,500 for 30 goals,

provided, however, it may contain a bonus of $100,000 for 20 goals and $112,500 for 30

goals). An Entry Level SPC may contain any number of Individual "A" Bonuses;

however, a Player may not receive more than $850,000 in total aggregate Individual "A"

Bonuses per season. Individual "A" Bonuses are payable by the Clubs (as opposed to the

League).

(a) Forwards

(i) Ice time (aggregate and/or per Game). Player must be among top

six (6) forwards on the Club (minimum 42 Regular Season Games

played by Player and comparison group). (Note: an Entry Level

SPC may contain bonuses for both aggregate and per Game ice

time; however, the maximum aggregate amount the Player may

receive on account of the ice time category is $212,500.)

(ii) Goals: 20 GoalMinimum

(iii) Assists: 35 Assist Minimum

(iv) Points: 60 Point Minimum

(v) Points Per Game: .73 Points Per Game Minimum (minimum 42

Regular Season Games played)

(vi) Plus-Minus Rating: Among top three (3) forwards on the Club

(minimum 42 Regular Season Games played by Player and

comparison group).

(vii) End-of-Season NHL All-Rookie Team

261

(viii) NHL All-Star Game (selected to play or plays)

(ix) NHL All-Star Game MVP

 

[Larmer83]

[quote name="R K"]





One Zito is not JT's Agent and two, more importantly Toews and Kanes bonus's were factored into the Cap before the Season started. EXCEPT the Con Smythe Bonus.



Toews did NOT hit his A bonus. I'm 100% positive.[/quote]

I'm just the messenger.



I've posted in the past as to the incompetence of Hawks print and electronic media in that they are unable or unwilling to ask Bowman about bonus monies beyond Toews Conn Smythe money. After the Buff trade, they were on a conference call with Bowman in which he essentially said were OK. Seems to me as good a time as any to get a clarification.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

[quote name="Larmer83"]

From Exhibit 5, page 260.

http://www.nhl.com/cba/2005-CBA.pdf



1. Individual "A" Bonuses Paid by Clubs

The maximum amount payable for any single category of Individual "A" Bonuses

identified below is $212,500 per season. (For example, an Entry Level SPC may not

contain bonuses of $212,500 for 20 goals and an additional $212,500 for 30 goals,

provided, however, it may contain a bonus of $100,000 for 20 goals and $112,500 for 30

goals). An Entry Level SPC may contain any number of Individual "A" Bonuses;

however, a Player may not receive more than $850,000 in total aggregate Individual "A"

Bonuses per season. Individual "A" Bonuses are payable by the Clubs (as opposed to the

League).

(a) Forwards

(i) Ice time (aggregate and/or per Game). Player must be among top

six (6) forwards on the Club (minimum 42 Regular Season Games

played by Player and comparison group). (Note: an Entry Level

SPC may contain bonuses for both aggregate and per Game ice

time; however, the maximum aggregate amount the Player may

receive on account of the ice time category is $212,500.)

(ii) Goals: 20 GoalMinimum

(iii) Assists: 35 Assist Minimum

(iv) Points: 60 Point Minimum

(v) Points Per Game: .73 Points Per Game Minimum (minimum 42

Regular Season Games played)

(vi) Plus-Minus Rating: Among top three (3) forwards on the Club

(minimum 42 Regular Season Games played by Player and

comparison group).

(vii) End-of-Season NHL All-Rookie Team

261

(viii) NHL All-Star Game (selected to play or plays)

(ix) NHL All-Star Game MVP[/quote]

Thank you, friend.

 

[Guest]

I think thats primarily because no GM is going to talk about their Cap space with "real" numbers. Just the way it is. I think they'll be fine too. I'm guessing a little but also in the camp that ANY bonus, other than the Con Smythe were figured against the Cap to begin with. That along with i'm also in the Camp that no players were placed on LTIR which also could have Cap implications.



I agree bubble there is a lot of mis information out there. There always is this time of year. Not to mention the sites like Capgeek and the other that are completely GUESSING other than the salary number.

 

[phranchk]

The cap is almost as messed up than the BCS system.

 

[Larmer83]

[quote name="BlackhawkPaul"]

Thank you, friend.[/quote]

I'm not your friend, guy.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

[quote name="Larmer83"]

I'm not your friend, guy.[/quote]

I'm not your guy, buddy.

 

[Larmer83]

[quote name="BlackhawkPaul"]

I'm not your guy, buddy.[/quote]

I don't suppose you could post the clip again, buddy.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/165191

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/165200/?tab=related

 

[Maiden]

[quote name="phranchk"]The cap is almost as messed up than the BCS system.[/quote]



Couldn't disagree more............................

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Maiden"]



Couldn't disagree more............................[/quote]



Yea BCS sucks more but the Cap has issues.



The fact we get hit by the 1.3 mil for the Con Smyth is a bunch of fucking bullshit. There is NO WAY that number should go against us, or ANY team that has a Con Smythe winner.



The Cap as a whole brings parity, other than the fact teams have "skirted" around it with front end loaded contracts.

 

[Maiden]

[quote name="R K"]



Yea BCS sucks more but the Cap has issues.



The fact we get hit by the 1.3 mil for the Con Smyth is a bunch of fucking bullshit. There is NO WAY that number should go against us, or ANY team that has a Con Smythe winner.



The Cap as a whole brings parity, other than the fact teams have "skirted" around it with front end loaded contracts.[/quote]



I'd like to see the league as a whole pay the end of the year award bonus money to those players; not the individual clubs. End of year trophy winnings should not count against the cap at all.

 

[puckjim]

[quote name="Maiden"]



I'd like to see the league as a whole pay the end of the year award bonus money to those players; not the individual clubs. End of year trophy winnings should not count against the cap at all.[/quote]



I would also like to see teams have the ability to trade a player, but eat some of his salary, if necessary.



Huet is going to get buried in the minors because of his salary. If we were allowed to eat a couple million of that, we could likely find a trading partner. It would be better for the Hawks and even better for Huet.