Sam Smith Thinks Gordon Signs Short Term Deal

[pinkizdead]

SouL EateR wrote:

pinkizdead wrote:
ably the best defensive team in the league in 06 and 07.

well that's why we're trading defensive liabilities like kirk and thabo. we dont need those kind of guys around. we need real defensive juggernautslike derick and tyrus.[/quote]Your really off on your judgment of Tys defense,there are plenty of others on our team you could have mentioned before him.Its actually one of the things he does better imo ,hes not the greatest on man but his weak side defense is top 5 in the league ..He deserves more credit than you give him..151 blcks and 91 steals count for defense any way you look at it..[/quote]


right. i meant tyrus is awesome. he's alonzo mourning meets denis rodman. he has defensive player of the year written all over him. besides rose and tyrus i'm not sure we have much of a team next year. whose left? miller salmons and noah. i think all of those players are far better at defense.

 

[Diddy1122]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

SouL EateR wrote:

Newskoolbulls wrote:

If anyone thinks Bens first priority is winning a ring over getting a big contract well thats absurd. He is all money, dont be fooled.

i agree thats why im thinking he may really be gone...

Say Cavs offer him a full MLE for 5 yrs and Thunder offer him 60 mil for 5-6 years, what deal would he take? Give be a break. He is all money, all young players are. When players get older and have tons of money than they start looking to win a title and give up money.

Yea I can't see Gordon taking a smaller short term deal anywhere. He's had 2 summers of contract insecurity & I don't see him taking another 1-2yr deal so he can go thru all that again. He wants financial security & I can't blame him. Just a shame he's probably gone in 3 weeks.

 

[Kush77]

houheffna wrote:

Salmons may be best at small forward, but I think he can play shooting guard with no problem and should be able to fit with Deng. Now you have 6-3, 6-6 and 6-9 at the perimeter, which is a goal the Bulls have talked about for years. It would be a start toward a defensive mindset, which is another reason the odds seem less that Gordon will return.

Finally! Someone agrees with me concerning Salmons, no reason why he can't play the SG.

I agree with you on Salmons to. That's the reason why I think Gordon won't be back. Salmons can pick up most of the scoring and he is taller.

But I still want Gordon back. Because Deng is injury prone and will get hurt again, so we'll need Salmons to play SF.
I do worry about Salmons having his breakout year at 29 years old. Is this who he really is? Or was it a career year that he won't come close to again. And defensively. Is Salmons that great. Nothing about his D stood out to me.

 

[Kush77]

I've said it on my podcast for a long time that I could see Gordon taking a 1-year deal with a contender, the hitting the market in 2010 when more teams will have money to spend.

Maybe the Knicks for Gordon? I don't think they Knicks are gonna get all the free agents they think (LeBron, Wade). I could see Gordon putting up some pretty big numbers in D'Antoni's system. He can go back to NY etc..

I can see this happening easily. Like I said before, I can see Gordon taking less money, but I don't see Gordon doing any favors to help the Chicago Bulls' budget.

 

[SouL EateR]

Ok theres no talking to you Pinkizdead if u actually think Brad Miller or John Salmons for that matter is a better defender than Tyrus Thomas..lmao :silly:

 

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Kush77 wrote:

I've said it on my podcast for a long time that I could see Gordon taking a 1-year deal with a contender, the hitting the market in 2010 when more teams will have money to spend.

Maybe the Knicks for Gordon? I don't think they Knicks are gonna get all the free agents they think (LeBron, Wade). I could see Gordon putting up some pretty big numbers in D'Antoni's system. He can go back to NY etc..

I can see this happening easily. Like I said before, I can see Gordon taking less money, but I don't see Gordon doing any favors to help the Chicago Bulls' budget.

Both Cleveland and Miami can offer Gordon one and sum deals. That is a one year deal with the promise of more money the next year. Both Miami and Cleveland will have the capspace to give Gordon what he deserves in 2010.

It'll be interesting to see how Riley plays with Gordon this summer. Miami clearly wanted the guy last summer. They agreed to a sign and trade with the Bulls, but couldn't get the Bulls to commit. If they can get Gordon to sign the MLE, and then promise him $66 million over 6 years after that, they'd be in a good position.

Then they could go into 2010 free agency with 4 players under contract, Mario Chalmers, Dwyane Wade, Ben Gordon, and Michael Beasley. Make Gordon and Wade the starters, bring Chalmers off the bench, and then try to lure in Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire in 2010 free agency (who they will still have enough money left over to offer a max contract).

 

[SouL EateR]

houheffna wrote:

Your really off on your judgment of Tys defense,there are plenty of others on our team you could have mentioned before him.Its actually one of the things he does better imo ,hes not the greatest on man but his weak side defense is top 5 in the league ..He deserves more credit than you give him..151 blcks and 91 steals count for defense any way you look at it..

He would be a top 5 help defender if he actually played smart. He doesn't know personnel well enough to know when to stay at home and when to go help, he gets burned to much to be top 5 in any area except playing dumb defensively.

Well actually there were only four guys in the NBA this season to have a combination of more than 200 stls and blcks and Tyrus was one of them ....The others were Wade,LBG and Howard pretty good company.Dont get me wrong Tyrus is not a perfect defender but hes better than hes given credit for around here..

 

[Dpauley23]

Im pretty sure they would want to keep Cook and even pay Jones money even though its guaranteed so they would be at 36 million. Its going to be little hard to pay Bosh or Amare 10 million isn't it?

 

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Dpauley23 wrote:

Im pretty sure they would want to keep Cook and even pay Jones money even though its guaranteed so they would be at 36 million. Its going to be little hard to pay Bosh or Amare 10 million isn't it?

If they get Gordon, I doubt they'd care much about Cook. James Jones seems like a complete throwaway player that they wouldn't care whether or not they lost, in terms of getting a big name like Amare. There's a reason he had all those team options built into his contract.

Basically you would have Dwyane Wade at $17.430 million (probably agree to an extension this summer). Michael Beasley at $4.638 million. Mario Chalmers at .774 million. Add on $8.713 for the first year of Gordon's contract. Then you have a total salary commitment of $35.339 million. You will have a salary cap of around $53 million say. Max salary would be $15.9 million first year with that.

So essentially they'd have five players, say Chalmers, Gordon, Wade, Beasley, and Bosh under contract. About $2 million to add one more player. Then they'd be going with veteran minimum guys for the rest of their roster.

If they're lucky, the vets will swarm to them. If not, then it's a two year rebuilding project. Keep your 2011 draft pick, add them. Sign a player for the MLE, and then sign another player for the LLE, and you have your roster.

 

[Dpauley23]

How do you know the Heat want Gordon? Im sure they rather have Cook and Chalmers for cheaper rather than Gordon

 

[Newskoolbulls]

SouL EateR wrote:

Ok theres no talking to you Pinkizdead if u actually think Brad Miller or John Salmons for that matter is a better defender than Tyrus Thomas..lmao :silly:

Tyrus is our best defend followed by Kirk than Noah. Brad in his prime was not the kind of shot blocker Tyrus is right now. As for Salmons he tends to gamble alot on the defensive end ala Larry Hughes.

 

[SouL EateR]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

SouL EateR wrote:

Ok theres no talking to you Pinkizdead if u actually think Brad Miller or John Salmons for that matter is a better defender than Tyrus Thomas..lmao :silly:

Tyrus is our best defend followed by Kirk than Noah. Brad in his prime was not the kind of shot blocker Tyrus is right now. As for Salmons he tends to gamble alot on the defensive end ala Larry Hughes.

Skool with the post of the year!!

 

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Dpauley23 wrote:

How do you know the Heat want Gordon? Im sure they rather have Cook and Chalmers for cheaper rather than Gordon

We know Miami wants Gordon because they brought him on a recruiting visit to Miami last summer and tried to work out a sign and trade with the Bulls last summer.

There's a big difference between Ben Gordon and Mario Chalmers/Dequan Cook. Ben Gordon scores great while being hounded by entire defenses. With Wade and Beasley, and a 2010 free agency, Gordon is going to get a lot of opportunities for wide open shots. He will be deadly.

Pat Riley got to witness his team be swept out of the playoffs at the hands of Gordon in 2007. He knows how Ben can rip the heart out of a team.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

SouL EateR wrote:

Ok theres no talking to you Pinkizdead if u actually think Brad Miller or John Salmons for that matter is a better defender than Tyrus Thomas..lmao :silly:

Tyrus is our best defend followed by Kirk than Noah. Brad in his prime was not the kind of shot blocker Tyrus is right now. As for Salmons he tends to gamble alot on the defensive end ala Larry Hughes.

Tyrus is our best defender?? I would put Noah and Kirk ahead of him. He just doesn't play smart defense. He is great at blocking shots, but he doesn't box out anyone. If Tyrus played smarter I could definitely see him as our best defender, but as it stands, I'm going to have to disagree. But that's just my opinion :blush:

 

[SouL EateR]

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Newskoolbulls wrote:

SouL EateR wrote:

Ok theres no talking to you Pinkizdead if u actually think Brad Miller or John Salmons for that matter is a better defender than Tyrus Thomas..lmao :silly:

Tyrus is our best defend followed by Kirk than Noah. Brad in his prime was not the kind of shot blocker Tyrus is right now. As for Salmons he tends to gamble alot on the defensive end ala Larry Hughes.

Tyrus is our best defender?? I would put Noah and Kirk ahead of him. He just doesn't play smart defense. He is great at blocking shots, but he doesn't box out anyone. If Tyrus played smarter I could definitely see him as our best defender, but as it stands, I'm going to have to disagree. But that's just my opinion :blush:

but u would have to agree that Tyrus is a better defender than Brad and Salmons no ?

 

[Newskoolbulls]

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Newskoolbulls wrote:

SouL EateR wrote:

Ok theres no talking to you Pinkizdead if u actually think Brad Miller or John Salmons for that matter is a better defender than Tyrus Thomas..lmao :silly:

Tyrus is our best defend followed by Kirk than Noah. Brad in his prime was not the kind of shot blocker Tyrus is right now. As for Salmons he tends to gamble alot on the defensive end ala Larry Hughes.

Tyrus is our best defender?? I would put Noah and Kirk ahead of him. He just doesn't play smart defense. He is great at blocking shots, but he doesn't box out anyone. If Tyrus played smarter I could definitely see him as our best defender, but as it stands, I'm going to have to disagree. But that's just my opinion :blush:

You could be right, I think that Noah and Tyrus can be better defenders than they are, they just need to keep improving till one day people start to think twice of going inside on us.

 

[clonetrooper264]

SouL EateR wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Newskoolbulls wrote:

SouL EateR wrote:

Ok theres no talking to you Pinkizdead if u actually think Brad Miller or John Salmons for that matter is a better defender than Tyrus Thomas..lmao :silly:

Tyrus is our best defend followed by Kirk than Noah. Brad in his prime was not the kind of shot blocker Tyrus is right now. As for Salmons he tends to gamble alot on the defensive end ala Larry Hughes.

Tyrus is our best defender?? I would put Noah and Kirk ahead of him. He just doesn't play smart defense. He is great at blocking shots, but he doesn't box out anyone. If Tyrus played smarter I could definitely see him as our best defender, but as it stands, I'm going to have to disagree. But that's just my opinion :blush:

but u would have to agree that Tyrus is a better defender than Brad and Salmons no ?

Fundamentally no, but in terms of stats, yes. Tyrus can block more shots in his sleep than Miller or Salmons put together can dream of. Miller, however, is smarter than Tyrus and a lot stronger so he is still a solid post defender.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Newskoolbulls wrote:

SouL EateR wrote:

Ok theres no talking to you Pinkizdead if u actually think Brad Miller or John Salmons for that matter is a better defender than Tyrus Thomas..lmao :silly:

Tyrus is our best defend followed by Kirk than Noah. Brad in his prime was not the kind of shot blocker Tyrus is right now. As for Salmons he tends to gamble alot on the defensive end ala Larry Hughes.

Tyrus is our best defender?? I would put Noah and Kirk ahead of him. He just doesn't play smart defense. He is great at blocking shots, but he doesn't box out anyone. If Tyrus played smarter I could definitely see him as our best defender, but as it stands, I'm going to have to disagree. But that's just my opinion :blush:

You could be right, I think that Noah and Tyrus can be better defenders than they are, they just need to keep improving till one day people start to think twice of going inside on us.

Tyrus and Joakim could be absolute BEASTS in the paint. Noah is a lot better than people give him credit for and Tyrus just needs to play smarter. All the pieces are there, it's up to the coaching staff to bring them to the surface.

 

[SouL EateR]

clonetrooper264 wrote:

SouL EateR wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Newskoolbulls wrote:

SouL EateR wrote:

Ok theres no talking to you Pinkizdead if u actually think Brad Miller or John Salmons for that matter is a better defender than Tyrus Thomas..lmao :silly:

Tyrus is our best defend followed by Kirk than Noah. Brad in his prime was not the kind of shot blocker Tyrus is right now. As for Salmons he tends to gamble alot on the defensive end ala Larry Hughes.

Tyrus is our best defender?? I would put Noah and Kirk ahead of him. He just doesn't play smart defense. He is great at blocking shots, but he doesn't box out anyone. If Tyrus played smarter I could definitely see him as our best defender, but as it stands, I'm going to have to disagree. But that's just my opinion :blush:

but u would have to agree that Tyrus is a better defender than Brad and Salmons no ?

Fundamentally no, but in terms of stats, yes. Tyrus can block more shots in his sleep than Miller or Salmons put together can dream of. Miller, however, is smarter than Tyrus and a lot stronger so he is still a solid post defender.

Miller is also 500 times slower than Tyrus..There were a couple of plays this year were Ty got beat off the dribble but was fast and athletic enough to block the guy from behind thats something bRad could never do.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

SouL EateR wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

SouL EateR wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

Newskoolbulls wrote:

SouL EateR wrote:

Ok theres no talking to you Pinkizdead if u actually think Brad Miller or John Salmons for that matter is a better defender than Tyrus Thomas..lmao :silly:

Tyrus is our best defend followed by Kirk than Noah. Brad in his prime was not the kind of shot blocker Tyrus is right now. As for Salmons he tends to gamble alot on the defensive end ala Larry Hughes.

Tyrus is our best defender?? I would put Noah and Kirk ahead of him. He just doesn't play smart defense. He is great at blocking shots, but he doesn't box out anyone. If Tyrus played smarter I could definitely see him as our best defender, but as it stands, I'm going to have to disagree. But that's just my opinion :blush:

but u would have to agree that Tyrus is a better defender than Brad and Salmons no ?

Fundamentally no, but in terms of stats, yes. Tyrus can block more shots in his sleep than Miller or Salmons put together can dream of. Miller, however, is smarter than Tyrus and a lot stronger so he is still a solid post defender.

Miller is also 500 times slower than Tyrus..There were a couple of plays this year were Ty got beat off the dribble but was fast and athletic enough to block the guy from behind thats something bRad could never do.

Thats true but I want Tyrus to hustle like that 100% of the time.