Scam or nah?

[Adipost]

This is the thread that begs the question, scam or nah? First up we have...

Raw Water

Advocates for raw water say that drinking treated water is like drinking poison. Detractors say that untreated water carries bacteria and disease: Raw water is hot in California, as distributors cannot keep it on the shelves, even though it has a price tag of 40 dollars per gallon and rising weekly. So I ask, scam or nah?

Here is an article for your convenience...

http://www.businessinsider.com/dangerous-raw-water-prices-skyrocket-to-60-2018-1

 

[Warden of the Northeast]

This is the thread that begs the question, scam or nah? First up we have...

Raw Water

Advocates for raw water say that drinking treated water is like drinking poison. Detractors say that untreated water carries bacteria and disease: Raw water is hot in California, as distributors cannot keep it on the shelves, even though it has a price tag of 40 dollars per gallon and rising weekly. So I ask, scam or nah?

Here is an article for your convenience...

http://www.businessinsider.com/dangerous-raw-water-prices-skyrocket-to-60-2018-1

Sounds like a scam, and a bit of price gouging too.

 

[Hawkeye OG]

Complete scam. People are paying $70 for a jug of water that could kill them. They could also walk to any nearby stream and fill up their jug for free.

People are fucking idiots.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

BS Scam

I have a well and love the water it gives.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Fucking California lol

 

[Crystallas]

Not a scam if used right. But with all things with personal choice and internet opinions, people like to make extremes because they feel extra judged on their decisions(or people like to be extra judgy douchebags). First, "raw" is a bad term, so is untreated. This is still boiled water, whether it's boiled in a facility or boiled at the ground(springs are for the most part(not always) a natural method of boiling, thus why the water 'springs' into the source. Also, UV and o3 treatment is a natural method, very effective, both are acceptable by these raw water advocates.

Reverse osmosis(which is the filtration system I use in my house) strips a lot of important minerals out of water. All you need is some very basic science to answer this question. Do a blind test with as close to similar variables as possible, take a person who drinks reverse osmosis water for a year and a person who drinks spring water for a year. Look at their before and after. The person who drinks the reverse osmosis water with artificial re-mineralization will still have a noticeable mineral deficiency in comparison. Now if you're 25 and don't understand, then that makes sense because most people in the first half of their life don't run into osteoporosis type issues. But the older posters here know how deep this issue runs, and just how hard and long it takes for basic supplementation(and costly) to ease varying symptoms that go with osteoporosis. And you can do this with chemical treatments like chlorination as well for a different set of issues.

To me, it's just super amazing how humans have went from being elite at sourcing and treating their own water, to super dependent on others that most no longer know shit about one of the most abundant and important resources to existence.

 

[Warden of the Northeast]

BS Scam

I have a well and love the water it gives.

Nothing like it. I've also had water from a steam that gets filtered naturally by the rocks and moss, amazing water...ice cold in the Summer heat.

 

[number51]

I drank water from a river while standing on Athabasca Glacier, northwest of Calgary near Banff. Get it while it lasts. It was great 10/10 would drink again.

 

[Tjodalv]

Can it be a scam if the providers are dumb enough to believe it?

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

If you want to get deeper in it, here's the site:

[url]https://livespringwater.com/
[/URL]

They argue for the benefit of a balanced gut bacteria, hydration, as well as highlighting specific helpful probiotics in the water. They also argue that there are some problems that may occur with treatment of tap water, and de-mineralization. They're not necessarily wrong, but some of the points they mentioned that would improve health aren't necessarily pertinent to just untreated water(i.e. hydration, balanced gut bacteria, and getting sufficient calcium and magnesium also derives from quality of diet and the amount of water you drink).

And what I did not see mentioned however, is how they sufficiently addressed pathogenic bacteria or bacteria that may be at pathogenic levels in the spring water. They chill it and leave it away from sunlight, but that doesn't mean there isn't potentially harmful bacteria(or harmful levels) in the water. That's why you treat the water.

Even treated water has bacteria, but not all bacteria is bad, and the bacteria that may cause a concern is either not present or not at pathogenic levels. There are specifications for this sort of stuff.

Here's some reading if you want to get more into it.
http://web.williams.edu/wp-etc/ces/drinking-water.pdf
http://aem.asm.org/content/40/5/922.full.pdf+html

This is the article cited by the Live Water people. I happen to wonder what is the difference between the contents of the water the Live Water people are collecting, and that of Comano, Italy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4660603/

Also, on their site:

*These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. Our services are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. Consult your health care provider before making a decision to switch your drinking water source.

Yea, of course it hasn't been evaluated by the FDA LOL. I wonder why...

My impulse reaction was to say "this is dumb", but I wanted to look at it more scientifically and analytically. Didn't change my opinion, but it helps to understand how they're advertising their water, and the specific details associated with untreated vs. treated water. I'm also not an expert on this subject by any means.

But the point is, don't waste your time with this IMO.

 

[ruprecht]

A crock of shit basically. Idiocracy is coming true.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

You don't need minerals or any trace of anything else in your water. The best water for ya is still about .69 cents per gallon, distilled water.

 

[Axl Rose]

A crock of shit basically. Idiocracy is coming true.

Brawndo's got what plants crave

 

[Tjodalv]

You don't need minerals or any trace of anything else in your water. The best water for ya is still about .69 cents per gallon, distilled water.

What the **** are you talking about? The best water for you comes in a bottle and is labeled "whiskey."

 

[number51]

Brawndo's got what plants crave

Really?

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/showthread.php/94032-Day-of-The-Blessings-of-Water?p=2946361&viewfull=1#post2946361

 

[Tater]

You don't need minerals or any trace of anything else in your water. The best water for ya is still about .69 cents per gallon, distilled water.

??? There's nothing left in it.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

??? There's nothing left in it.

Don't want anything in it. It cleans out your system. Why would you want to get your minerals from rocks and dirt rather than plants?

 

[Tater]

Don't want anything in it. It cleans out your system. Why would you want to get your minerals from rocks and dirt rather than plants?

Some of us don't eat enough plants.

 

[LordKOTL]

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Not a scam if used right. But with all things with personal choice and internet opinions, people like to make extremes because they feel extra judged on their decisions(or people like to be extra judgy douchebags). First, "raw" is a bad term, so is untreated. This is still boiled water, whether it's boiled in a facility or boiled at the ground(springs are for the most part(not always) a natural method of boiling, thus why the water 'springs' into the source. Also, UV and o3 treatment is a natural method, very effective, both are acceptable by these raw water advocates.

Reverse osmosis(which is the filtration system I use in my house) strips a lot of important minerals out of water. All you need is some very basic science to answer this question. Do a blind test with as close to similar variables as possible, take a person who drinks reverse osmosis water for a year and a person who drinks spring water for a year. Look at their before and after. The person who drinks the reverse osmosis water with artificial re-mineralization will still have a noticeable mineral deficiency in comparison. Now if you're 25 and don't understand, then that makes sense because most people in the first half of their life don't run into osteoporosis type issues. But the older posters here know how deep this issue runs, and just how hard and long it takes for basic supplementation(and costly) to ease varying symptoms that go with osteoporosis. And you can do this with chemical treatments like chlorination as well for a different set of issues.

To me, it's just super amazing how humans have went from being elite at sourcing and treating their own water, to super dependent on others that most no longer know shit about one of the most abundant and important resources to existence.

But $40.00 for a gallon of water?