Scam or nah?

[Crystallas]

But $40.00 for a gallon of water?

I'm not justifying their pricing. My words are very concise. There are a lot of problems with how we approach water and the raw water people have a lot of valid arguments and some extreme arguments. Prices are set through the market, that is a whole different discussion IMO.

I see it the same way as the movement that became the anti-vaxxers of the mid-90s. They were right about many vaccination concerns. The manufacturers and labs made enormous strides to reduce questionable ingredients after all that pressure. The sane ones in the movement left the as soon as their battle was won, then the crazy stayed in and everyone rewrote history to forget what the original chunk of watch-dog consumers did that gave benefit for all of us. I know bringing vaccines up is at risk for a spartanesque derail(him or baited)... hopefully it stays on topic.

The same with these people and water. Those with real concerns are making their point, and we're all going to be better for it at some point. Once those concerns are mostly addressed in the mainstream of water supplies, a handful of crazy ones will want to feel extra-hardcore, stick around and get themselves sick to prove a non-point. Social darwinism, that's fine, but we shouldn't ignore that independent watch dogs play the most important role in food safety and just slap the tin-foil hat on the rational ones that push for changes that help everyone in the long run. Not ignore reality where it does take extremes to make changes in some cases(and in this case, a peaceful change, so at worse case, shouldn't be seen as any real concern to other peaceful observers). These people have a vested interest in preserving their clean sources of water and they aren't convinced that treatments will always solve our problems. Which may contribute to the inflated costs, at least at this stage? IDK.

Remember, it's not all that long ago people thought bottled water was a scam. IMO I still think bottled water is a scam. But guess what? Even with water, many people swear it to be clean from their tap(factoring in Flint as an exception), they choose to buy bottled water and/or brita filters. So people say one thing with their mouths(and fingers) but in practice or maybe subconsciously they do something else.

 

[nc0gnet0]

You don't need minerals or any trace of anything else in your water. The best water for ya is still about .69 cents per gallon, distilled water.

That is wrong.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Not a scam if used right. But with all things with personal choice and internet opinions, people like to make extremes because they feel extra judged on their decisions(or people like to be extra judgy douchebags). First, "raw" is a bad term, so is untreated. This is still boiled water, whether it's boiled in a facility or boiled at the ground(springs are for the most part(not always) a natural method of boiling, thus why the water 'springs' into the source. Also, UV and o3 treatment is a natural method, very effective, both are acceptable by these raw water advocates.

Reverse osmosis(which is the filtration system I use in my house) strips a lot of important minerals out of water. All you need is some very basic science to answer this question. Do a blind test with as close to similar variables as possible, take a person who drinks reverse osmosis water for a year and a person who drinks spring water for a year. Look at their before and after. The person who drinks the reverse osmosis water with artificial re-mineralization will still have a noticeable mineral deficiency in comparison. Now if you're 25 and don't understand, then that makes sense because most people in the first half of their life don't run into osteoporosis type issues. But the older posters here know how deep this issue runs, and just how hard and long it takes for basic supplementation(and costly) to ease varying symptoms that go with osteoporosis. And you can do this with chemical treatments like chlorination as well for a different set of issues.

To me, it's just super amazing how humans have went from being elite at sourcing and treating their own water, to super dependent on others that most no longer know shit about one of the most abundant and important resources to existence.

Depends a lot on the rejection rate of the RO membrane. Most are only 90+% efficient. RODI is another matter, almost the same as distilled water. Problem with RO water is the huge amount of waste water produced. I used to make 1,000+ gallons of RO water a day, but it took me 2,000+ gallons to do so. Those without sophisticated systems it would take closer to 3,000+ gallons (depends on water pressure, water temp, etc). But for those with contaminated ground water, this is the only filtration that works.

 

[Ares]

Depends a lot on the rejection rate of the RO membrane. Most are only 90+% efficient. RODI is another matter, almost the same as distilled water. Problem with RO water is the huge amount of waste water produced. I used to make 1,000+ gallons of RO water a day, but it took me 2,000+ gallons to do so. Those without sophisticated systems it would take closer to 3,000+ gallons (depends on water pressure, water temp, etc). But for those with contaminated ground water, this is the only filtration that works.

Why were you using so much water?

 

[nc0gnet0]

Why were you using so much water?

I was breeding discus, a fish that requires very soft water. I had like 28 tanks, and did 80% water changes each day.

 

[Ares]

I was breeding discus, a fish that requires very soft water. I had like 28 tanks, and did 80% water changes each day.

Huh... interesting.

Were you breeding to sell them? I would assume or that sounds like a very expensive hobby.

 

[Tater]

I was breeding discus, a fish that requires very soft water. I had like 28 tanks, and did 80% water changes each day.

Damn, that's a full time job right there. Sounds like a pet store.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Huh... interesting.

Were you breeding to sell them? I would assume or that sounds like a very expensive hobby.

Yeah, it got a bit out of control, taking a break now. I tend to get a bit carried away with things. Built my own RO system. I did sell a lot of them, not to make a profit, but help cover expenses. I was huge into the genetics of the whole process, The domestic discus has several variations of mutated genes it could have that help determine color and pattern.

 

[Ares]

Yeah, it got a bit out of control, taking a break now. I tend to get a bit carried away with things. Built my own RO system. I did sell a lot of them, not to make a profit, but help cover expenses. I was huge into the genetics of the whole process, The domestic discus has several variations of mutated genes it could have that help determine color and pattern.

Did you need to go that big with that many tanks and changing the water that often or were you just going overboard a bit?

 

[Warrior Spirit]

That is wrong.

Oh it’s true. It’s damn true.


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[nc0gnet0]

Oh it’s true. It’s damn true.


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Distilled, or RODI water, not only doesn't contain any of the trace minerals your body needs, it can actually pull them from your system. While many people will get these essential trace elements and minerals from other sources, as a general rule of thumb, it is highly not advisable. For instance if you don't drink a lot of other beverages or make your beverages from Distilled water, your going to suffer deficiencies.

http://www.mercola.com/article/water/distilled_water.htm

 

[nc0gnet0]

Did you need to go that big with that many tanks and changing the water that often or were you just going overboard a bit?

A bit

But if you start with say 5 pairs, then they each have a spawn of about 50-300 babies, and you need to grow out those babies to see how the color/pattern develop (it can take up to a year), well, I am sure you can see. Discus are a relatively fragile fish, native to the amazon river basin that has naturally acidic and low pathogen water. They can adapt to neutral or hard water, but when you do that, bacteria thrives exponentially. The constant water changes combat that, helping keep the pathogen content of the water low. In other words, when compared to other fresh water fish, they are a bit on the high maintenance side. Confounding the problem is the population density when you have so many fish in a tank.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Distilled, or RODI water, not only doesn't contain any of the trace minerals your body needs, it can actually pull them from your system. While many people will get these essential trace elements and minerals from other sources, as a general rule of thumb, it is highly not advisable. For instance if you don't drink a lot of other beverages or make your beverages from Distilled water, your going to suffer deficiencies.

Therein lies the beauty of this untainted water, my friend. It can pull harmful shit from your body including metals from those vaccines fascist governments force on the defenseless and dumb. All you need from water, is the cleanest kind to clean your body out.

Again, it just doesn’t make sense to get your minerals from water anyway. That should come from food you eat. Just makes sense that minerals from fruits and vegetables are more likely to benefit your body than minerals from rock and dirt would.



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[Gustavus Adolphus]

I prefer my flouride.

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

I always love the CCS Expert postings.

 

[AussieBear]

drinking raw water sounds better than those people who drink urine for health benefitz,...,

 

[nc0gnet0]

Therein lies the beauty of this untainted water, my friend. It can pull harmful shit from your body including metals from those vaccines fascist governments force on the defenseless and dumb. All you need from water, is the cleanest kind to clean your body out.

Again, it just doesn’t make sense to get your minerals from water anyway. That should come from food you eat. Just makes sense that minerals from fruits and vegetables are more likely to benefit your body than minerals from rock and dirt would.



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Distilled water is not "natural". It is just another form of treated water. All the other creatures on this earth drink non-distilled water. And no harm will come from drinking distilled water occasionally, it's just not good to drink it exclusively for an extended period of time.

But yes, it can help cleanse to a certain degree. Unfortunately it is pretty non-discrete about what it cleanses, both good and bad stuff.

 

[Ares]

Therein lies the beauty of this untainted water, my friend. It can pull harmful shit from your body including metals from those vaccines fascist governments force on the defenseless and dumb. All you need from water, is the cleanest kind to clean your body out.

Again, it just doesn’t make sense to get your minerals from water anyway. That should come from food you eat. Just makes sense that minerals from fruits and vegetables are more likely to benefit your body than minerals from rock and dirt would.



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Spartans didn't drink pure distilled water.... their bodies just dealt with the contaminants.

Wtf is wrong with you.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Spartans didn't drink pure distilled water.... their bodies just dealt with the contaminants.

Wtf is wrong with you.

History doesn’t think we did but it is what made us superhuman.


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[SweetHomeChicago]

Did you need to go that big with that many tanks and changing the water that often or were you just going overboard a bit?

Sounds like he went a bit overboard but I am sure the fish turned out gorgeous. clean water and a healthy diet is a sure way to have healthy good looking and fast growing fish.