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Schwarber in LF, Bryant in Cf, Castro at SS? Better score a shit ton of runs.
The lineup would be much improved
Schwarber in LF, Bryant in Cf, Castro at SS? Better score a shit ton of runs.
The lineup would be much improved
Feel like Bryant for 6 weeks in CF would be pretty atrocious defensively. Plus there's very little synergy in that line up. You have almost no speed in the line up. Hell, I'd argue that's a problem now because few of the current line up players aren't stealing bases and taking the extra base on hits. Bryant is about the only one other than Fowler. Rizzo had been stealing but that's fall off dramatically.
Fowler isn't getting on base enough to steal. Fowler has been really bad man. he only looks good at the plate as a right hander. His defense is so so. Also, Baez probably has as much stolen base potential as any one on this team. Baez has shown he can steal bags at all levels. Something will work itself out.
Considering Baez was a CF in HS until late, that isn't really a stretch.I'll put this out strait. I think Baez could be a strong OF. He is athletic enough for it.
Schwarber is a rookie. Rizzo is not bad at SO's and he was 30% as a rookie. In Schwarber's first call up he had 8 k's in 23 PAs for a 34.8% k rate. In his 67 PAs in AAA he had a 34.3% k rate. I'm not worried long term for him but the point here is in 2015 Schwarber is going to strike out. Hell look at Soler. He's not a strike out prone guy either and he's hovering around 30% himself.Schwarber is not bad at SO's. He is most likely the best over all hitters in the minors right now and should end up close to Rizzo in his approach.
Fowler is at 22.2% which is identical to his career marks.Fowler is at 25%
Despite a bad start Coghlan is the 31st best OF in terms of fWAR. Give him another 3 months playing like he was prior to the break and he's probably top 20. That's hardly a 4th OF. Seriously, people need to get over this Coghlan obsession that he's bad. Over the past 2 seasons with the cubs he's put up 719 PAs which is a little over a full year and in that time he's been a 3.9 fWAR player. There were 25 OF's above 3.5 fWAR last year. I don't get where people are getting these blinders that every team(or at least most) has 3 OFs better than Coghlan. I may have said this in this thread or some other one but since June only Rizzo has hit better than him and that's only because Rizzo slugs for more power which clearly isn't Coghlan's game.Coghlan is a 4th OF except yes he takes bad routes.
If Coghlan was hitting over .300 I would agree.
I would rather take lumps this year to get the team set up for the long haul.
Long term Schwarber is going to be a better player than Coghlan. If he ended up equal to him it would be a major disappointment.
I expect Schwarber to be putting up Rizzo type numbers after he settles in. And yes I expect some struggles. That is to be expected. The same can be said about Soler. You expect a struggle but deal with it due to his potential
Russell also.
These kids are just too talented to not adjust.
Now guys like Fowler, Coghlan and Castro are what they are. They will always hover around their career norms.
I feel like you can't have it both ways in that you can't talk about playing for the playoffs and then talk about taking your lumps with a player. We have to choose one path or the other. I don't really see how anyone can objectively say that adding Schwarber and Baez and subtracting Fowler and Coghlan makes the 2015 cubs a better team. I mean ok if you argue that Schwarber and Baez have no issues adjusting like Bryant than fine maybe they are a better team but Bryant is pretty clearly an exception to the norm. But even if they play decent like Soler has Coghlan and Fowler are probably more valuable players given you're given up defense to put their bats in the line up.
On the other hand, if you're talking about playing more for 2016 then fine I can see some logic there. However, I still think that is a batting line up with 0 synergy and that the line up will have to HR it's way to wins plus the OF is going to be god awful defensively especially in the gaps. Coghlan may not be an amazing defender in LF(-2.5 UZR/150 over 6k innings in LF) but he's a far sight better than Schwarber will be hardly having played LF. And actually at 16.4 UZR/150 this year and -0.3 last year Coghlan has been pretty good with the cubs or at least average-above average.
I don't know I guess I'm just getting old and grumpy but I'm really sick and tired of people talking down Coghlan. Even after a .223/.294/.439 from April-May, he's 58th(out of 162 qualified players) among all hitters in the league in OBP. Since the start of June he's hitting .273/.398/.373. In June Coghlan had the 6th best OBP in baseball. And on top of that he happens to be one of the few players on the 40 man roster who would actually be worth while hitting lead off yet people continually want to throw him away or push him to a 4th OFer.
People are placing far too much belief in prospects to have an immediate impact. Soler is probably more advanced a hitter than both Schwarber and Baez(definitely Baez) and he's been a full win in fWAR less valuable than Coghlan in 48 fewer PAs. And as I said above, Soler as a hitter has been roughly league average at .260/.314/.388 vs the .253/.314/.396 league average. And if we're playing the long game here then why on gods green earth are we playing Bryant in CF because he is not a CF. I think you'd try Baez there before Bryant and I don't think Baez is a CF either(least not anymore).
All this just feels like the baseball equivalent of madden roster moves or fantasy baseball if you prefer.
Well Bryant does like playing CF and he is athletic so I don't see it as crazy as you do. I've heard Len Kasper on at least three separate occasions that Bryant is being thought of as a serious option to play CF next year as a stop gap to whoever might be in that position after 2016.
You're not stupid so I'm not going to treat you as such. You know as well as I do that if the actual cubs organization had any belief Bryant could even play a Castro questionable level of defense in CF that Bryant would have been there the entire time. I mean this is literally what we're talking about now with Schwarber. He played there this year of course but the cubs were also terribly snake bitten with injuries and were carrying a short bench.
Also, again why fuck with Bryant? He's not playing bad defense at 3B. If you're going to play a questionable person there why not Baez? He runs better than Bryant and has experience playing there. Hell, maybe Baez shows you something you don't expect and suddenly you have another option on what to do with him rather than trading him/Castro/whomever. I wouldn't do that with Baez but again if that's what people are clamoring for he makes more sense there than Bryant.
Either way, I think adding Schwarber and Baez to the line up full time without Schwarber being the C makes for a pretty cumbersome line up. You're arguably going to bat Bryant/Rizzo/Soler together as it's a good R/L/R mix and they are probably the best guys you have hitting right now. Tossing Schwarber behind Soler continues the R/L mix well. You probably follow him with Castro. But then what do you do with the rest of the line up? You batting Russell first? Baez First? The C probably has to bath 8th(7th if you go pitcher there). I think you can see that the line up just doesn't make a lot of sense. I could buy the line up a bit more with Schwarber at C and Baez in CF though I still don't love it. Then you could keep Russell 9th and bat Cogs/Deno first depending on pitching. But that still is taking putting Baez in which adds to the K issue even if he's at 25%
If they hit, they will find a way. You look at lineups old school and bring new school into it. Strikeouts are a big part of the game now. Kids are being brought up being taught to watch a lot of pitches and it is causing high strikeout rates. Look at the Houston Astro's.
There line up is completely unconventional. They are first in homers, first in strikeouts, 4th in runs. They are batting the same as the Cubs and a lower OBP. There is more then one way to skin a cat. If Baez and Schwarber turn out to be the better hitting options, its a no brainer for the Cubs to go that route. The Cubs aren't winning the series but they also shouldn't just drop out of the race.
Also, if this does pan out. There is no problem shopping Coughlan for a pitcher. He isn't in this teams future. Shit, the Cubs could shop Fowler. Isn't that their MO? Like I said, it will shake itself out but you have to look at all possibilities. I guarantee Theo and them have not shut any doors. Its why they have Maddon. He is a coach that can handle not the norm.
All I'm doing with the Bryant to CF talk is repeating what Kasper has said and seeing who he works for I don't think it's idle speculation.
It isn't Kasper's personal opinion. He is getting the idea from the organization. That's his job to find out tidbits like that. He didn't need to play college or pro ball to ask Jedstein or other FO what their thoughts are on CF and Bryant. Also, while Bryant may do a decent job at 3B, he isn't quick diving for a ball and getting rid of it. That's where 6'6" comes in to play. I find the idea if a big boy with a big arm roaming CF intriguing.Not trying to be a dick here but as far as I'm aware Kasper has never played the game at the college or pro level. I mean it's a bit like listening to something Hawk says and taking it as a real possibility. That's no disrespect to Len as an announcer. I think he's fine I just don't think his personal views have any real merit.
Again, not trying to pick a fight or anything but I think idle speculation is exactly what it is. Bryant isn't a plus runner. He's probably below average but plays up a bit because he has good instincts. Wrigley isn't the most demanding OF ever as Fowler is a -2.5 UZR/150 this year after having been much worse in other years). In a pinch especially before he's in his late 20's, sure maybe you toss Bryant out there some but as an every day player? I can't see that at all. Scouts prior to the draft thought he would be an ok corner OF if 3B didn't work out but no one even mentioned CF as a possibility and again I read a lot of scouting crap.
Either way, it's kind of pointless because as I said if people want both Baez and Schwarber in the line up you can get the same thing by just playing Baez there and he probably has a more realistic shot given they made the same move with Alcantara.
It isn't Kasper's personal opinion. He is getting the idea from the organization. That's his job to find out tidbits like that. He didn't need to play college or pro ball to ask Jedstein or other FO what their thoughts are on CF and Bryant. Also, while Bryant may do a decent job at 3B, he isn't quick diving for a ball and getting rid of it. That's where 6'6" comes in to play. I find the idea if a big boy with a big arm roaming CF intriguing.
Maddon said he wasn’t sure but knows that Bryant would be willing.
I mean that's speculation on your part no? I didn't hear his exact comment so I could be wrong but I've read nothing from the scouting community that indicates that CF is even a remote possibility. And again, my question would be that even if that info is coming from the organization why now would they move him to CF? They had both Baez Castro when they drafted him and Alcantara was some what decently thought of. I think at the time Lake was also playing 3B. And I believe they had both Olt and Villanueva at the time. So they had a crowded infield before adding him to the equation. It's a lot harder to find a quality CF than it is to find a 3B. So, if they thought CF was even possible why wouldn't they let it play out like they have with Schwarber at C which is to say play him there until he can't?
That doesn't strike anyone else as odd? Like I said, I'm not trying to be a know it all here and pick a fight but it really doesn't make any sense to me. Bryant didn't even play CF in college as far as I'm aware he played RF.