Scottie Pippen vs. Hawks (1994)

[Glide2keva]

What Hou said isn't untrue. Jordan was a monster from his rookie season on.

 

[Daa Bearrs]

Jordan did not make Pippen. Pippen did not make Jordan. They both stood alone as fantastic players, and this is clearly evident during the seasons that Jordan played without Pippen and the seasons Pippen played without Jordan.

Obviously both of them made eachother better when they played with eachother, but that's what all great players and teammates do. What is with Chicago sports fans loving to knock their own legends? I don't get some of you people.

 

[houheffna]

Jordan did not make Pippen. Pippen did not make Jordan. They both stood alone as fantastic players, and this is clearly evident during the seasons that Jordan played without Pippen and the seasons Pippen played without Jordan.

Obviously both of them made eachother better when they played with eachother, but that's what all great players and teammates do. What is with Chicago sports fans loving to knock their own legends? I don't get some of you people.

I don't get what is so hard to understand about Pippen seeking out Jordan to help improve his game...because Pippen did NOT look good when starting in the league. Jordan had one of the great rookie seasons in NBA history. Pippen struggled mightily. Without having met Jordan, there is no doubt in my mind that Pippen would not have achieved the level of greatness that he did.

As far as that "knocking your own legends" stuff. It is what it is. I don't think any great player from Chicago is greater than a player from somewhere else...because they are not from Chicago. That is silly to me. I am too old for that crap and so are some of the posters on this page.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

So what your saying is that because you believe in your opinion so much, that it automatically makes it FACT, and everyone elses view is nothing but the buzzing of flies to you.
:thinking:
Hmmm, nice, I see.....it all makes sense to me now.
Thanks for freeing us all from our own demise Dr. Heff.

You're a great man and I FUKIN LUV YA HUEY MY BOY!!!

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Pippen's game was refined because of Jordan. There is no doubt about that.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Pippen's game was refined because of Jordan. There is no doubt about that.

 

[97Bulls]

I don't get what is so hard to understand about Pippen seeking out Jordan to help improve his game...because Pippen did NOT look good when starting in the league. Jordan had one of the great rookie seasons in NBA history. Pippen struggled mightily. Without having met Jordan, there is no doubt in my mind that Pippen would not have achieved the level of greatness that he did.

As far as that "knocking your own legends" stuff. It is what it is. I don't think any great player from Chicago is greater than a player from somewhere else...because they are not from Chicago. That is silly to me. I am too old for that crap and so are some of the posters on this page.

He had to share time with Sellers in the beginning. But he did help Jordan lead the Bulls to their first playoff series win in his rookie season. You saw the flashes. The talent was there.

Dont get me wrong. Obviously Jordan helped Pippens game. But they were different types of players. Jordan

 

[97Bulls]

Did I say I hate Pippen? Nope. Did I say he was a bad player? Nope again. Did I say Pip didn't have drive or determination? Wow, Nope again. 0-3 bro.



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Seriously, Brad Sellers? Do I really need to explain that one? or Jeff Sanders? You didn't even spell Matt Steigenga's name correctly! Do you even know any of these players you are listing or did you just wiki old shitty Bulls players?



That's a completely untrue statement. Pippen does not receive ANY hate on here. If by "hate", you mean "objective thinking" then I guess we're hating on Pip all the time. What's pathetic is Pippen Lovers who don't acknowledge that MJ MADE HIM BETTER.

Don't believe me? Ask Pip. I'm sure he'll tell you the same thing.

I know exactly who those players are. They're players Jordan couldn't make better.

I just can't fathom how Jordan was only capable of making one player better. Out of the many teammates he had

 

[97Bulls]

Posters like diddy and heff are far from being subjective when Pippens concerned. For example, players like Grant Hill, Clyde Drexler, and Charles Barkley were never able to lead a team to a championship. But Are still considered franchise players. But because Pippen couldn't lead the Bulls he's not a franchise player.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Posters like diddy and heff are far from being subjective when Pippens concerned. For example, players like Grant Hill, Clyde Drexler, and Charles Barkley were never able to lead a team to a championship. But Are still considered franchise players. But because Pippen couldn't lead the Bulls he's not a franchise player.

But Pippen did lead his team in Jordans 1 and a half year absence.....
And he lead the team at the same time Jordan was leading the team.
They both lead the team.....
Like Kareem and Magic did.
Like Shaq and Kobe did.....
Like Karl Malone and Stockton did.....
Like Lebron and Wade do now.......


All players listed are franchise players....
Including Jordan and Pippen.....

Your right, for some strange reason, People here single out Pippen from the above class of players....
And its funny, because Pippen shined against and with all the player above and blended right in as an official NBA superstar and franchise player just like the rest of them.......

 

[houheffna]

I know exactly who those players are. They're players Jordan couldn't make better.

I just can't fathom how Jordan was only capable of making one player better. Out of the many teammates he had

Jordan didn't like many of his teammates...again...documented. Pippen wanted to learn and approached him about it. Jordan scared off most of his teammates. So Jordan taught him NBA defense, how to run an offense, positioning on both sides of the floor, etc. Jordan may have been the greatest on ball perimeter defender in league history. Pippen didn't teach Jordan that...it was the other way around.

You seem to want to make another argument...an argument focused on people saying Pippen wasn't talented maybe? Nobody said that. He isn't as talented as you may suggest, but he was most definitely talented. Yet, he should have been better...don't you think? You criticize Barkley...shouldn't Pippen have been able to shoot 75-80% from the line? Shouldn't he have been a more adept and consistent offensive force considering his athleticism? I am not a Bulls fan for pointing those observations out? Probably not...but those are worthwhile questions.

 

[houheffna]

But Pippen did lead his team in Jordans 1 and a half year absence.....
And he lead the team at the same time Jordan was leading the team.
They both lead the team.....
Like Kareem and Magic did.
Like Shaq and Kobe did.....
Like Karl Malone and Stockton did.....
Like Lebron and Wade do now.......


All players listed are franchise players....
Including Jordan and Pippen.....

Your right, for some strange reason, People here single out Pippen from the above class of players....
And its funny, because Pippen shined against and with all the player above and blended right in as an official NBA superstar and franchise player just like the rest of them.......

Being a great player and being a franchise player...totally different. That is what everybody is saying. You and others seem to think they are synonymous, which is why people question your knowledge of the game. There are a lot of great players who would not have been good at being at the helm of a franchise. Pippen is one of those guys in my opinion. He fit perfectly in the role he had...THAT IS WHY KARL MALONE SAID WHAT HE SAID. Of all of the players on that Dream Team...he was the most complete complimentary player. Doesn't make him an average or good player...he was a great player. But I would rather have guys like Drexler, Ewing...etc.

 

[FirstTimer]

I have this game still on VHS. Also converted to DVD....The Hawks were actually the favorite to win the East in 94.

The Hawks actually did win the East in 1994.

Actually Pippen was tied for second in MVP voting if I'm not mistaken.

You are.

He finished 3rd...by a really wide margin. The second place guy got over 3 times as many first place votes as Pippen.

Plus Pippen was also ranked high in MVP voting in 1995 as well.

If by "high" you mean he got 1 first place vote and finished 7th.......sure...

 

[houheffna]

I have this game still on VHS. Also converted to DVD....The Hawks were actually the favorite to win the East in 94.
Its nice how Chicago destroyed them and blew them out.......It certainly helped having a true alpha dog like Scottie Pippen on the Bulls.
That was a great game, plus if I remeber correctly, the Bulls made a new record for most 3 pointers for a Bulls team in a single game....That was quite a show Pippen put on. :beerbang:

You constantly talk about Fisch watching youtube because he is so young...yet you have a library of old Bulls games that you bring up over and over again...what's the difference?

And no, the Hawks were NOT the favorites to win the East, they won it but it was a surprise. The New York Knicks were overwhelming favorites to win the East. Can't believe you wrote this madness. Where were you in 1994? How could you say something like that if you were there?

Good grief...

Thanks to FirstTimer for pointing out this quote.

 

[97Bulls]

Jordan didn't like many of his teammates...again...documented. Pippen wanted to learn and approached him about it. Jordan scared off most of his teammates. So Jordan taught him NBA defense, how to run an offense, positioning on both sides of the floor, etc. Jordan may have been the greatest on ball perimeter defender in league history. Pippen didn't teach Jordan that...it was the other way around.

You seem to want to make another argument...an argument focused on people saying Pippen wasn't talented maybe? Nobody said that. He isn't as talented as you may suggest, but he was most definitely talented. Yet, he should have been better...don't you think? You criticize Barkley...shouldn't Pippen have been able to shoot 75-80% from the line? Shouldn't he have been a more adept and consistent offensive force considering his athleticism? I am not a Bulls fan for pointing those observations out? Probably not...but those are worthwhile questions.

I do feel Pippen should've shot a higher percentage from the line. Fot the life of me I can't figure out why he couldn't. The only reason I've heard is he had big hands. Like that of a center. For whatever reason, centers don't shoot a high FT%. If Pippen ever became a 80% FT shooter his ppg would easily jump to 2 to 3 maybe even four ppg.

I do disagree with your opinion that Pippen should've been a bigger offensive force. Considering all he had to do in an effort to give his team a chance to win.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

You constantly talk about Fisch watching youtube because he is so young...yet you have a library of old Bulls games that you bring up over and over again...what's the difference?

And no, the Hawks were NOT the favorites to win the East, they won it but it was a surprise. The New York Knicks were overwhelming favorites to win the East. Can't believe you wrote this madness. Where were you in 1994? How could you say something like that if you were there?

Good grief...

Thanks to FirstTimer for pointing out this quote.

Where was i In 94?
I was at the stadium eating hotdogs and popcorn watching pip and the gang live.
Where were you in 94?
Phoenix arizona?

 

[houheffna]

Where was i In 94?
I was at the stadium eating hotdogs and popcorn watching pip and the gang live.
Where were you in 94?
Phoenix arizona?

We don't believe you, you need more people.

Saying the Hawks were favored to win? With old ass Dominique and Mookie Blaylock?

 

[scottiepippen1994]

We don't believe you, you need more people.

Saying the Hawks were favored to win? With old ass Dominique and Mookie Blaylock?

You don't believe me? OH WELL, So, what, are you calling me a liar?
They stayed in top 3 all season, plus in my opinion, they would of been better off keeping Dominique than Manning who left them after that season anyway.

 

[houheffna]

I do feel Pippen should've shot a higher percentage from the line. Fot the life of me I can't figure out why he couldn't. The only reason I've heard is he had big hands. Like that of a center. For whatever reason, centers don't shoot a high FT%. If Pippen ever became a 80% FT shooter his ppg would easily jump to 2 to 3 maybe even four ppg.

I do disagree with your opinion that Pippen should've been a bigger offensive force. Considering all he had to do in an effort to give his team a chance to win.

His hands are not an excuse. Jordan's hands are bigger than Pippen and Shaq's.

 

[97Bulls]

Being a great player and being a franchise player...totally different. That is what everybody is saying. You and others seem to think they are synonymous, which is why people question your knowledge of the game. There are a lot of great players who would not have been good at being at the helm of a franchise. Pippen is one of those guys in my opinion. He fit perfectly in the role he had...THAT IS WHY KARL MALONE SAID WHAT HE SAID. Of all of the players on that Dream Team...he was the most complete complimentary player. Doesn't make him an average or good player...he was a great player. But I would rather have guys like Drexler, Ewing...etc.

Malone mentioned nothing of Pippen being a complimentary player. He said he was impressed with Pippen and the job he did with the Bulls when Jordan left