Sean Marshall officially headed to Cincy

[brett05]

If you didn't, you said everything but those exact words in these quotes:



I see a whole lot in their about their upsides in those quotes

The facts are their upside us very small. Could happen probably won't. Wood is the true prize in the deal. If I'm the Cubs I make the deal but you all think the Reds got fleeced.

 

[nwfisch]

That is the basic premise of moneyball, buckaroo. Sell high, buy low. That would be the exact opposite of what KW did with Alex Rios, so I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Williams claimed Rios off of waivers to block the Tigers from getting him. It wasn't really selling high or low in that case.

But, if Jim Hendry did it, he'd be the smartest GM around.

Heck, Hendry's a genius for passing on Dunn.

 

[dabynsky]

The facts are their upside us very small. Could happen probably won't. Wood is the true prize in the deal. If I'm the Cubs I make the deal but you all think the Reds got fleeced.

I would be cautious before claiming we all think the Reds got fleeced. I do think we can agree that Wood is the prize in the deal, and whether you think the Cubs won the deal or not hinges on your view of the value of a top late inning reliever versus a backend of the rotation starter.

That said you've made every attempt to categorize the prospects the Cubs got as organizational fillers, and that simply isn't the case. A 20 year old middle infielder that put up the numbers he has in two seasons while being young for the leagues he was in isn't something to sneeze at.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Williams claimed Rios off of waivers to block the Tigers from getting him. It wasn't really selling high or low in that case.

But, if Jim Hendry did it, he'd be the smartest GM around.

Heck, Hendry's a genius for passing on Dunn.

Of course it isn't selling high or low... Williams acquired Rios, or bought him. When you gain something it isn't selling. Williams added Rios with a huge contract--that's how he bought high.

Had Jimbo done it, he would have been Special person. No GM would be smart to acquire Rios like that. Especially not Jimbo given Soriano's albatross of a contract.

Yes, he is a genius for passing on Dunn & for acquiring Randy Wells.

 

[DewsSox79]

That is the basic premise of moneyball, buckaroo. Sell high, buy low. That would be the exact opposite of what KW did with Alex Rios, so I wouldn't expect you to understand.

no, i understand ala brandon mccarthy for jon danks and nick massett, it was your whole little dorky ending "moneyball baby" god you are a dweeb.

 

[Rice Cube]

"Moneyball" was actually about identifying a market inefficiency and then exploiting it. "Buy low, sell high" is a strategy that's been used for centuries or whenever humans invented the bartering system.

 

[DewsSox79]

"Moneyball" was actually about identifying a market inefficiency and then exploiting it. "Buy low, sell high" is a strategy that's been used for centuries or whenever humans invented the bartering system.

its also documented in the BC's. it is a pretty basic business tactic in every aspect of the business world now, and like you said in BC

 

[Capt. Serious]

I'm confused as how the Reds overpaid? Marshall is better than anyone the Cubs got for him.

Travis Wood is a bum & the other guys are just prospects.

 

[nwfisch]

I'm confused as how the Reds overpaid? Marshall is better than anyone the Cubs got for him.

Travis Wood is a bum & the other guys are just prospects.

They overpaid if it's a 1 year rental. If the Reds plan on keeping this team together, then the deal is more of a wash.

 

[dabynsky]

I'm confused as how the Reds overpaid? Marshall is better than anyone the Cubs got for him.

Travis Wood is a bum & the other guys are just prospects.

The difference is in the value of a reliever versus a starting pitcher (This is the same logic used to justify the trade of Sergio Santos btw). You may be right that Wood is a bum, but he has also had success at the big league level at a young age. We will find out.

 

[brett05]

That said you've made every attempt to categorize the prospects the Cubs got as organizational fillers, and that simply isn't the case. A 20 year old middle infielder that put up the numbers he has in two seasons while being young for the leagues he was in isn't something to sneeze at.

I've made every attempt to show those that make these prospects to be more than they are not. Most outside of Cub Nation agree. The majority isn't always right but it's pretty safe

 

[dabynsky]

I've made every attempt to show those that make these prospects to be more than they are not. Most outside of Cub Nation agree. The majority isn't always right but it's pretty safe

People who think Torreyes is going to be Pedroia are silly, but people who think he is going to be Augie Ojeda are equally silly. Neither of these guys are blue-chip prospects, but they have value no matter how much you try to diminish it.

 

[brett05]

People who think Torreyes is going to be Pedroia are silly, but people who think he is going to be Augie Ojeda are equally silly. Neither of these guys are blue-chip prospects, but they have value no matter how much you try to diminish it.

Never said they didn't. But odds are they are not even bench worthy players

 

[FirstTimer]

That is the basic premise of moneyball, buckaroo. Sell high, buy low. That would be the exact opposite of what KW did with Alex Rios, so I wouldn't expect you to understand.

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

"Buy low/sell high" existed before during and after moneyball and has been a staple in most economies since the beginning of time. Moneyball had more to do with finding an undervalued asset that the market wasn't paying for...paying market value for it(low) and getting results as consequence that exceeded the market value the organization paid.

You are either the best troll ever...or the worst baseball poster ever.

 

[nwfisch]

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.


You are the worst baseball poster ever.

FIXED

 

[dabynsky]

Never said they didn't. But odds are they are not even bench worthy players

If you mean that by the odds of any player is low A ball odds of becoming a major leaguer is low, then you sir are correct. However, Torreyes has done some nice things and the fact that he is more than organizational filler when added to a major league starter as the return for a reliever is pretty good.

 

[Captain Obvious]

"Moneyball" was actually about identifying a market inefficiency and then exploiting it. "Buy low, sell high" is a strategy that's been used for centuries or whenever humans invented the bartering system.

Yes, it is a strategy that has been in use for centuries. But it is how moneyball is summed up in under 5 words. It's exactly what Beane did, just used different ways of going about it.

its also documented in the BC's. it is a pretty basic business tactic in every aspect of the business world now, and like you said in BC

Yes. It is. I'm not saying that Moneyball invented Buy low, Sell high. I'm saying that that is the basic idea of what Beane is doing... just in a different way.

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

"Buy low/sell high" existed before during and after moneyball and has been a staple in most economies since the beginning of time. Moneyball had more to do with finding an undervalued asset that the market wasn't paying for...paying market value for it(low) and getting results as consequence that exceeded the market value the organization paid.

You are either the best troll ever...or the worst baseball poster ever.

Yep. Me and Roger Ebert both don't know what we're talking about. We just make shit up. Ebert also wrote a bit saying essentially the same thing that I did. So go ahead and tweet him telling him the same thing.

 

[FirstTimer]

Yep. Me and Roger Ebert both don't know what we're talking about

Roger Ebert has no jaw. I disregard everything he thinks.

LOL at using Roger Ebert to back up your asinine baseball thoughts.

Gene Shalit thinks your an idiot.

My opinion is validated.

 

[Rice Cube]

Five words to describe "Moneyball":

Find market inefficiency, exploit it.

Or if you want less than five words:

Exploit market inefficiency.

 

[ZDemp34]

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