Self Driving Cars

[number51]

Software and automation can replace all jobs eventually. There is a reason why management roles(titles to make people feel better) have replaced actual management duties. A person has a hard time competing with the efficiency of a machine. The more machines in place at the lowest levels, the less management and supervision is needed.

It's an up-and-down the ladder issue. Quite cute when people make it out to predominantly affect one part of the ladder more than the other.

Quite cute when a douchebag pretends 500 workers losing their jobs is the same as 25 managers losing theirs.

Both ends of the ladder, but who thinks 25 = 500?

 

[Crystallas]

Quite cute when a douchebag pretends 500 workers losing their jobs is the same as 25 managers losing theirs.

Both ends of the ladder, but who thinks 25 = 500?

Just out of curiosity, who in this thread suggested 25 = 500?

 

[Urblock]

May have been me. Bad at math.

 

[number51]

It's an up-and-down the ladder issue. Quite cute when people make it out to predominantly affect one part of the ladder more than the other.

One end of the ladder loses 500 jobs the other loses 25, you think the affect is the same as both lose 100%.

I think 100% of 500 > 100% of 25, you think that's 'cute'. 500 people losing their jobs is not 'cute' it's tragic. I would guess the 500 families would take no solace in the fact that the other end of the ladder took a hit.

But thanks for sharing that even managers can be replaced by machines, very informative and helpful.

 

[Crystallas]

Okay, so nobody said 500 = 25. :shrug: That was a pretty bad assumption on your part if you think I came close to suggesting such a thing.

Not only that, your example is very binary. Two ends of the ladder, ignore the middle and everything else.


But hay, thanks for showing off some awesome math skills.

 

[Urblock]

I'm going back to the Bears forum.

 

[AussieBear]

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[number51]

But hay, thanks for showing off some awesome math skills.

Hay no problem douchebag.

 

[Monster]

This thread went sideways.

 

[Ares]

Can we get back to automating rape plz?

 

[LordKOTL]

It would be assessed on a case by case basis. But the owner of the car would be at fault. And there is a such thing as 'shared fault' where more than one party(party being the whole package of man and machine for each automobile) would share some kind of fault. I suspect with automated vehicles, more shared fault cases will arise. ie: two cars blow a red light making left turns and hit each other head on. That is just one example of a shared fault.

Agreed--and you also have to assume that all of the sensors/computers needed to make a car fully autonomous and know where it is in relation to all other cars (as well as communicating with all other cars) have to be maintianed in some way, shape, or form, so I can see fault also being if it was determined whichever owner (or both) failed to maintain their vehicle.

 

[xer0h0ur]

Yet another semi-skilled job technology may well kill or severely reduce in the coming decades.

Yeah, lol, no. Unless these self-driving trucks can also load / unload themselves and interact with customers for you...you can't get rid of the trucker.

 

[Ares]

Yeah, lol, no. Unless these self-driving trucks can also load / unload themselves and interact with customers for you...you can't get rid of the trucker.

If you can automate a truck driving itself... you can automate a bot to load/unload the truck.....

I am guessing you are thinking of smaller scale deliveries.... I am thinking of the larger trucking industry.... the long haul drivers.... not saying some trucking jobs wouldn't continue to exist, but like manufacturing it would be lesser paid and fewer jobs.

 

[Burque]

If you can automate a truck driving itself... you can automate a bot to load/unload the truck.....

I am guessing you are thinking of smaller scale deliveries.... I am thinking of the larger trucking industry.... the long haul drivers.... not saying some trucking jobs wouldn't continue to exist, but like manufacturing it would be lesser paid and fewer jobs.

Or have live people at either end to load/unload... Those people are cheap to employ.

 

[Urblock]

A bot could never do what I do. Every job is different. See what is causing the problem. Fabricate what is needed to solve problem. Install what is needed. Move on to next problem. In a building with 100 doors you can have problems that you've never seen or heard of. That's when it gets fun. Nothing better than solving problems that other people punted on. Be a long time before a bot can do that.

 

[Burque]

A bot could never do what I do. Every job is different. See what is causing the problem. Fabricate what is needed to solve problem. Install what is needed. Move on to next problem. In a building with 100 doors you can have problems that you've never seen or heard of. That's when it gets fun. Nothing better than solving problems that other people punted on. Be a long time before a bot can do that.

Do you ever use the 2x4 and a hammer trick to correct a tight fitting door?

 

[Urblock]

Do you ever use the 2x4 and a hammer trick to correct a tight fitting door?

I use a jack and anchor the moving frame to the floor when I spread it. I have a building where the frames are pulling loose from the metal studs. The fire doors are too damn heavy for the frames and brackets the builders used.

 

[xer0h0ur]

If you can automate a truck driving itself... you can automate a bot to load/unload the truck.....

I am guessing you are thinking of smaller scale deliveries.... I am thinking of the larger trucking industry.... the long haul drivers.... not saying some trucking jobs wouldn't continue to exist, but like manufacturing it would be lesser paid and fewer jobs.

I'm talking about trucking as a whole. Even if you want to talk about long haul trucking that still includes truckers having to load and unload themselves. The only instances of truckers not having to do shit like that are massive major corporations that have fleets of truckers where all they do is drop off trailers full of shit and pick up an empty trailer or another load going back or they already have a dedicated group of people to unload the trailers for the truckers.

There would still inevitably be manned trucking with respect to oil, gasoline, toxic, bio-hazardous loads etc. etc.

Frankly sometimes you are waaaaaaaaay too forward thinking like humans are widespread going to be replaced by robots and automation soon. I will be genuinely surprised if that shit happens on a wide scale within my lifetime.

 

[Ares]

I'm talking about trucking as a whole. Even if you want to talk about long haul trucking that still includes truckers having to load and unload themselves. The only instances of truckers not having to do shit like that are massive major corporations that have fleets of truckers where all they do is drop off trailers full of shit and pick up an empty trailer or another load going back or they already have a dedicated group of people to unload the trailers for the truckers.

There would still inevitably be manned trucking with respect to oil, gasoline, toxic, bio-hazardous loads etc. etc.

Frankly sometimes you are waaaaaaaaay too forward thinking like humans are widespread going to be replaced by robots and automation soon. I will be genuinely surprised if that shit happens on a wide scale within my lifetime.

They would have said the same thing about manufacturing 40 years ago.... impossible the machines can be automated to do all of this without humans.

I think you will be surprised.... automation = reduction in costs.... big business loves reduction in costs.... they will do all they can to automate and cut jobs and salaries.

I hope you are right, that way lots of truckers have good paying jobs, I just think we are 10-20 years from transportation being fully automated and I could see 90% of trucking jobs being lost to automation.

 

[Crystallas]

Machines(factoring in the manufacturing and delivery of all goods to create the machine) also produce less emissions than humans when it comes to performing the same task in nearly all cases. I can only think of a few that aren't, and even those cases are within a generation of being more efficient by the machine.