Shanahan or Nagy / Do we have it all wrong?

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Most experts consider Shanahan a genius an offensive guru and great innovative HC. His record as HC of the 49er's is 31 - 39.
Nagy is considered an idiot that should be fired immediately and his record with the Bears is 31-24.
Most would say the 49er's have a lot more talent than the Bears.
What am I missing?
 
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pdxbearsfan said:
Most experts consider Shanahan a genius an offensive guru and great innovative HC. His record as HC of the 49er's is 31 - 39.
Nagy is considered an idiot that should be fired immediately and his record with the Bears is 31-24.
Most would say the 49er's have a lot more talent than the Bears.
What am I missing?
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pdxbearsfan said:
Most experts consider Shanahan a genius an offensive guru and great innovative HC. His record as HC of the 49er's is 31 - 39.
Nagy is considered an idiot that should be fired immediately and his record with the Bears is 31-24.
Most would say the 49er's have a lot more talent than the Bears.
What am I missing?
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Take Vic Fangio away that records is probably upside down by a large margin.. it's 31-25 now btw and trending down.

I do agree that shanahan, as a head coach is vastly overrated.
 
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SF has been in the top half of NFL total offense the last 3 years. Nagy in bottom quarter. End thread.
 

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mattb78 said:
SF has been in the top half of NFL total offense the last 3 years. Nagy in bottom quarter. End thread.
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That top half offense has ended in a less than
.500 overall record for Shanahan....so good for them
 
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Shanahan came within a half quarter of winning a superbowl.

9ers haven't really been healthy since then.

Garapolo hasn't played a complete season since he's been there.
 
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pdxbearsfan said:
Most experts consider Shanahan a genius an offensive guru and great innovative HC. His record as HC of the 49er's is 31 - 39.
Nagy is considered an idiot that should be fired immediately and his record with the Bears is 31-24.
Most would say the 49er's have a lot more talent than the Bears.
What am I missing?
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Brain cells.
You talk about how they're regarded offensively and then use a lazy stat like win-loss to make an argument.

How about Kyle Shanahan got to a Super Bowl with a top 5 offense and has a much more established resume as an offensive play-caller. Matt Nagy, a guy who has yet to prove himself as an OC was a WC knockout carried by the leagues #1 D who had an unsustainable amount of takeaways.

Not to mention the Niners play in a division thats way better and last year they had one of the worst injury riddled seasons the league has seen in a long time. Teams are always injured but it was on a level that must be mentioned.

Shanny may be overrated but he's 10 times the offensive coach Matt Nagy could ever dream of being. This isn't debatable and you wont find a single reputable person who covers football that would take Nagy over Shanny.

Is OP Hub Arkush??
 
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pdxbearsfan said:
Most experts consider Shanahan a genius an offensive guru and great innovative HC. His record as HC of the 49er's is 31 - 39.
Nagy is considered an idiot that should be fired immediately and his record with the Bears is 31-24.
Most would say the 49er's have a lot more talent than the Bears.
What am I missing?
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pdxbearsfan said:
Most experts consider Shanahan a genius an offensive guru and great innovative HC. His record as HC of the 49er's is 31 - 39.
Nagy is considered an idiot that should be fired immediately and his record with the Bears is 31-24.
Most would say the 49er's have a lot more talent than the Bears.
What am I missing?
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Shanny just needs to learn to pull his head out of his ass in the playoffs. He’s got every other box checked. They are going to be 10-4 with a 3rd string QB.
 
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pdxbearsfan said:
Most experts consider Shanahan a genius an offensive guru and great innovative HC. His record as HC of the 49er's is 31 - 39.
Nagy is considered an idiot that should be fired immediately and his record with the Bears is 31-24.
Most would say the 49er's have a lot more talent than the Bears.
What am I missing?
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How or why did my post from 13.5 months ago get posted again?
 
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bamainatlanta said:
Shanny just needs to learn to pull his head out of his ass in the playoffs. He’s got every other box checked. They are going to be 10-4 with a 3rd string QB.
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I wonder how much is on Shanahan and how much is on Jimmy G being the worst statistical 4th quarter playoff quarterback in the history of the league? For whatever reason, Jimmy G just forgets entirely how to throw the ball in the 4th quarter. It's the ultimate case of the QB YIPS.
 
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49ers defense is playing superbowl level this year. They are peaking at the right time
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I'm pretty convinced that if Jimmy G were even a 'slightly' below average 4th quarter QB that they'd have won 2 of the last 3 Super Bowls and heading towards a 3rd. But I'm biased, I've thought they've had the best overall roster every season since 2019 but just been let down by their QBs.
 
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cameronkrazie86 said:
I wonder how much is on Shanahan and how much is on Jimmy G being the worst statistical 4th quarter playoff quarterback in the history of the league? For whatever reason, Jimmy G just forgets entirely how to throw the ball in the 4th quarter. It's the ultimate case of the QB YIPS.
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Well Shanny’s playcalling in the Falcons SB was an unforgivable sin. One of the worst halves of playcalling ever
 
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