Shaq in a Bulls Uniform?

[SouL EateR]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Its not like Tyrus is this amazing jumpshooter. He shot 35 percent last which Noah could definetely get. He's working hard on the jumpshot and might be able to improve the shot. Tyrus isn't a good help defender and neither is Shaq so that pretty big minus on defense as I rather have Noah because he much better defender

Tyrus gets alot of his blocks on help defense....Tyrus had a better overall season than Noah..Noah had the better playoffs but dont forget who made big midrange jumper after jumper in the end of game 1..

 

[Hendu0520]

If we can get rid of Luol Deng anyway we can I say do it. It is a risk having Shaq slow us down but for one year I don't think it will scar DRose's development too much, it would be fun to see. It would depend on how good Rose gets in the offseason if we would get to the ECF, but most likely we would lose 2nd round even with Shaq.

Oh and Noah will never ever, ever come close to having the jumper that Tyrus already has, not to mention that Tyrus will probably come back an even better J this year. I think you could start either him or Noah depending on the team you are playing.

 

[Dpauley23]

SouL EateR wrote:

Dpauley23 wrote:

Its not like Tyrus is this amazing jumpshooter. He shot 35 percent last which Noah could definetely get. He's working hard on the jumpshot and might be able to improve the shot. Tyrus isn't a good help defender and neither is Shaq so that pretty big minus on defense as I rather have Noah because he much better defender

Tyrus gets alot of his blocks on help defense....Tyrus had a better overall season than Noah..Noah had the better playoffs but dont forget who made big midrange jumper after jumper in the end of game 1..

I'll give you he was one of main reasons we won game 1 besides Drose just dominating, but he also lost us at least 2 games that series. He's one of fastest pf and he getting beat down court by one of the fattest guys in the league. In game 5 I believe he lets this happen twice when we were up by 11 and turn that game around. I rather have guy who hustle on every play with less talent that guy and way better bball iq than guy with more talent, hustle less than half the time, and one of lowest iq players in the NBA. As for the regular season Noah brought us rebounding, which was one of the biggest weaknesses of this team and without him we would of been screwed

 

[Hendu0520]

Dpauley23 wrote:

SouL EateR wrote:

Dpauley23 wrote:

Its not like Tyrus is this amazing jumpshooter. He shot 35 percent last which Noah could definetely get. He's working hard on the jumpshot and might be able to improve the shot. Tyrus isn't a good help defender and neither is Shaq so that pretty big minus on defense as I rather have Noah because he much better defender

Tyrus gets alot of his blocks on help defense....Tyrus had a better overall season than Noah..Noah had the better playoffs but dont forget who made big midrange jumper after jumper in the end of game 1..

I'll give you he was one of main reasons we won game 1 besides Drose just dominating, but he also lost us at least 2 games that series. He's one of fastest pf and he getting beat down court by one of the fattest guys in the league. In game 5 I believe he lets this happen twice when we were up by 11 and turn that game around. I rather have guy who hustle on every play with less talent that guy and way better bball iq than guy with more talent, hustle less than half the time, and one of lowest iq players in the NBA. As for the regular season Noah brought us rebounding, which was one of the biggest weaknesses of this team and without him we would of been screwed

Lol, its hard to aay who will be better for the team with or without Shaq. Noah and Thomas are almost the exact opposites, other than their ability to run. Noah is smarter, better rebounder, Thamas is a better shooter and blocker. If you remember though Pauley Noah got beat a few times down the floor too, so he still had his lapses in judgement and hustle as well. It pains me to say this but Noah probably is the safer guy to start, but Thomas can bring more upside if he is on.

Tough call, good argument.

 

[Shakes]

Shaq will sulk and want to go to a real contender. If we trade for him it's just to get Deng's bloated salary off our cap. We can buy the fat guy's salary out for all I care after that.

 

[houheffna]

People who think you just need Amare, or Bosh or a broken down Shaq to win a championship, you are seriously fooling yourselves.

 

[dunkside.com]

hinrich + deng for shaq.
then buy shaq out.

in 2010 you got a rose + high lottery pick + room for 2 max contracts.
that should look VERY attractive to wade/lebron and bosh.

2011 to 2015 - at least 2-3 titles.
you can start booking the parades.

 

[houheffna]

Wade and Lebron are not going to be attracted to lottery picks.

 

[Bullsman24]

next year's draft is supposed to be one of the strongest ever. like an all time great draft.

people are attracted to derrick rose even though he's not an all star level talent yet, he's still got a while to go, but we know his potential. if we get say greg monroe, then we'd have a very attractive option with a PG and PF full of potential.

 

[dunkside.com]

houheffna wrote:

Wade and Lebron are not going to be attracted to lottery picks.

i think it all depends how you sell it to them.

once you got 2 of wade/lebron/bosh, then you can be sure veterans will start knocking on your door for the chance to get a ring while playing for the vets min.

you also would already have rose + some decent role players in salmons, tyrus and noah. hand them the team during 2009-2010 so they can grow a little bit more. play them 40+ min per game.

i guess rose + decent role players would sound pretty good to them considering you will surely pick up some more veteran help at discount prices. then you have the lottery pick that you can either include in a trade for more help, or grow the player so you can extend their run.


after all what would attract lebron/wade in NY ?
they won't have anything even close in terms of talent to rose + salmons + tyrus + noah

what would attract bosh in miami ?
other than wade, again, there's haslem who, although i like his game, is getting older and beasley who's still a question mark. again, that's less than rose + salmons + tyrus + noah.

the thing is that if 2 of them are about to land in the same spot, it's sure they gonna talk about it. once you got one convinced most of the work is done.

come up with a clear plan:
- we want you and X
- we have rose + .....
- we will target the following role players to complement your game
- we will bring this coach

to me it makes much more sense to come up with a plan, explain it to them and convince them it works, answer their questions and doubts rather than say "we can offer you a max contract. take it or leave it". if they see you really have a plan and you're committed to winning i think you'll have a pretty good chance to attract them.

 

[houheffna]

Other than Wade? South Beach? Wade is all you need. You better have a great player for Bosh to play with. He knows his limitations. Amare I can see playing with a very good or great PG as he spent his best years so far with Nash, but Bosh will want a better player than him possibly who can take over during crunchtime.

 

[Diddy1122]

houheffna wrote:

All Lebron needs is 1 guy, 1 GUY, who can command a double team & he will be in the Finals again. I mean he went in '07 with a worse team than he has now. And please, the Celtics are on their way down, big time. I can't wait for KG to come back & average 10pts & 5rebs a game. When you hurt your knee coming down lightly after a dunk you've got serious problems. The Big 3 are old now. They put up a helluva fight in the playoffs, but they still have no bench & rely on their over-the-hill stars to play 36-40 minutes a game. I think Miami will be better next year & could be the team competing with Boston for a top 3 spot.

You don't like the Celtics because they are over the hill but you like the Cavs getting an over the hill player who can't play ball two days straight to put them over the top....got you.

Ok, Shaq's 1 guy, as opposed to the top 3 players on the team. There's a difference. And Shaq didn't miss every other game, he played 75 games last year, where were you? Not to mention he averaged 18ppg, 8.5rpg in 30mins & led the league in FG pct. He's stil got something left in the tank & he still commands a double team which is honestly all that Lebron needs. Lebron can take a team to the finals by himself, he's already done that. But to win it, he's going to need another player that can consistently draw defensive attention to get him open & his teammates open more. So why not take a shot on the one guy that no one can guard in single coverage despite the fact that he's 36?

 

[houheffna]

Shaq is not enough, if the Magic sign back Turkoglu, they still have a better team. The Magic will be better than the Cavs at 3 positions easily, maybe 4 when counting bench players. Don't think that's enough.

 

[Diddy1122]

I still say it's worth a shot. If it doesn't work, then they have a ton of cap space for 2010. And considering how many times Howard fouls out of games, having him have to guard Shaq might knock him out of a few. And I think we all have seen how well the Magic play when they don't have Howard to hold down the paint.

 

[houheffna]

If it don't work, The Cavs may have more cap space then they want because Lebron will be headed to the airport.

 

[Diddy1122]

houheffna wrote:

If it don't work, The Cavs may have more cap space then they want because Lebron will be headed to the airport.

I'm not so sure about that. I think Lebron will stay a Cav for life & the Cavs will offer him more than anyone else can. Only Amare & Bosh am I 99% sure will be on a different team in 2010, hell maybe even next season.

 

[houheffna]

Its not about money, Lebron knows that he has what it takes to "Jerry Rice" the record books and become the greatest ever...he wants championships.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Kerr has said he has spoke to 15 teams about Shaq.

 

[SouL EateR]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

Kerr has said he has spoke to 15 teams about Shaq.

Im sure theres only handfull of them that Shaq himself might want to play for.I can see us being one of them.

 

[TheStig]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

Kerr has said he has spoke to 15 teams about Shaq.

Kerr looks like a horrible GM. Right before he looks to trade someone, he completley trashes all of their value by saying they are on the block. Why doesn't he just put up a yard sale sign?