Should the Cubs go after Adam Dunn?

[Captain Obvious]

Yes they should. And they will.

 

[DewsSox79]

with committed contracts and arb eligible players you are looking at 125 million already on the books next year. there is no high priced cub on this team that another club will just take on.

 

[DewsSox79]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt cuz you're a Sox fan, but you can't be serious with that first sentence. I can name you atleast 5 players on the team right now off the top of my head that make more than $11mill. That said, Dunn will command more than that, but to think the Cubs brass wouldn't pay it is just ludicrous if you've ever followed the team.

im talking about moving forward, not what hendrys open pocket did in the past.

 

[Captain Obvious]

with committed contracts and arb eligible players you are looking at 125 million already on the books next year. there is no high priced cub on this team that another club will just take on.

I'd be willing to bet someone would take Fukudome and Z, even if we pay half their contracts, that's still like 15 million off the books. Enough to sign a Dunn.

 

[DewsSox79]

I'd be willing to bet someone would take Fukudome and Z, even if we pay half their contracts, that's still like 15 million off the books. Enough to sign a Dunn.

sure, so does that make you a contender? no bullpen, and a half ass starting rotation.

?at 3b ?lf, colvin everyday....will he be good or bust....i mean cmon

dont you want to win the world series? zambrano,demp, wells, silva, (gorzo) how is that going to work out for ya?

they are going to be in rebuilding mode.

 

[Captain Obvious]

sure, so does that make you a contender? no bullpen, and a half ass starting rotation.

dont you want to win the world series? zambrano,demp, wells, silva, (gorzo) how is that going to work out for ya?

they are going to be in rebuilding mode.

How can Z be in the rotation if he's traded?

Demp, Gorz, Wells, Silva, Cashner is a rotation I can live with. Although I do think we will go out and sign a Brandon Webb type. Medium risk/High reward guy.

The fact of the matter is that the Ricketts can't afford to rebuild. They are already under a lot of heat because of this year. Which is ludicrous, considering they have had the team for like a year now. But, the average fan is the demographic that they are shooting for. They need to win those fans over now, considering all the money they have had to borrow.

With Dunn and another pitcher, I think that we can contend in the NL central. Do I think we can win the WS? No. But, it is a step in the right direction. Ultimately, I think our window for the WS opens in maybe 2012, definitely 2013.

 

[FedEx227]

I'd be willing to bet someone would take Fukudome and Z, even if we pay half their contracts, that's still like 15 million off the books. Enough to sign a Dunn.

Nobody is going take half of Z's deal. You're going to pay it in full or you're going to have Zambrano.

 

[waldo7239117]

Nobody is going take half of Z's deal. You're going to pay it in full or you're going to have Zambrano.

I think if the Cubs pay 7M of Kosuke, he will be dealt. I think if the Cubs pay 75% of Z, he could be gone. It also depends on how he finishes out the season. That will determine if his stock is high or low and how much the Cubs would have to eat.

 

[FedEx227]

So in your scenario the Cubs end up spending $33 million to get rid of two players.

How exactly does that make it easier for them to go after free agents?

Hell, even at $9 million I find it hard to believe a team is going to want to take Zambrano.

 

[Diddy1122]

So in your scenario the Cubs end up spending $33 million to get rid of two players.

How exactly does that make it easier for them to go after free agents?

Hell, even at $9 million I find it hard to believe a team is going to want to take Zambrano.

Are you kidding me? At $9mill that is a steal for a pitcher of Zambrano's talent. The only thing that keeps Z from being a perrenial Cy Young canidate is his head. We've all seen glimpses of when it's on straight & what he can do with the ball. I'm willing to bet almost half the GM's in baseball would be willing to take on the risk at that price, when the reward would be extremely high. And I'm including your boy K-Dubs in that list.

 

[DewsSox79]

Are you kidding me? At $9mill that is a steal for a pitcher of Zambrano's talent. The only thing that keeps Z from being a perrenial Cy Young canidate is his head. We've all seen glimpses of when it's on straight & what he can do with the ball. I'm willing to bet almost half the GM's in baseball would be willing to take on the risk at that price, when the reward would be extremely high. And I'm including your boy K-Dubs in that list.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Care to elaborate? Or we we just going to post pictures?

 

[DewsSox79]

Care to elaborate? Or we we just going to post pictures?

perennial? really? thats the reason for the face palm. his comment was

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Care to elaborate? Or we we just going to post pictures?

anorexia......is an interesting "disease"

 

[Lefty]

I'd be willing to bet someone would take Fukudome and Z, even if we pay half their contracts, that's still like 15 million off the books. Enough to sign a Dunn.

Paying half of the money owed to both Fukudome and Zambrano is more than likely the low end of what the Cubs would have to pay to send the two of them off. So then, the low end of that range is around $15.5 million of the $31 million owed to both of them. But $15.5 million isn't going to be enough for the first year of the deal Dunn is going to get, we're talking more likely $17-19 million starting price, with escalating yearly salaries after that.

But what many people don't seem to get is that the money paid to make Fukudome and Z go away doesn't just vanish from the books. It's still there, so the Cubs would effectively be paying $32 million for the first year of Adam Dunn. What's more, the Cubs are more than likely going to have to pay a great deal of Zambrano's 2012 guaranteed salary (at least $10 million of the $18 million owed to him), so in 2012 the Cubs will still be paying somewhere around $30 million+ for Adam Dunn. That would make for a $63.5 million payroll for FIVE players in 2012, with all standing options for that season bought out. If those options are picked up, that's $87.5 million for seven guys. That's atrocious.

 

[DewsSox79]

Paying half of the money owed to both Fukudome and Zambrano is more than likely the low end of what the Cubs would have to pay to send the two of them off. So then, the low end of that range is around $15.5 million of the $31 million owed to both of them. But $15.5 million isn't going to be enough for the first year of the deal Dunn is going to get, we're talking more likely $17-19 million starting price, with escalating yearly salaries after that.

But what many people don't seem to get is that the money paid to make Fukudome and Z go away doesn't just vanish from the books. It's still there, so the Cubs would effectively be paying $32 million for the first year of Adam Dunn. What's more, the Cubs are more than likely going to have to pay a great deal of Zambrano's 2012 guaranteed salary (at least $10 million of the $18 million owed to him), so in 2012 the Cubs will still be paying somewhere around $30 million+ for Adam Dunn. That would make for a $63.5 million payroll for FIVE players in 2012, with all standing options for that season bought out. If those options are picked up, that's $87.5 million for seven guys. That's atrocious.

some of the cub fans still wont understand, or they will still choose to live in fantasy world.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

some of the cub fans still wont understand, or they will still choose to live in fantasy world.

Plenty of those in each fanbase.

 

[Jntg4]

Hey, we also have no confirmation that we'll have A-Ram and his salary on the books next year. He could opt out.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Paying half of the money owed to both Fukudome and Zambrano is more than likely the low end of what the Cubs would have to pay to send the two of them off. So then, the low end of that range is around $15.5 million of the $31 million owed to both of them. But $15.5 million isn't going to be enough for the first year of the deal Dunn is going to get, we're talking more likely $17-19 million starting price, with escalating yearly salaries after that.

But what many people don't seem to get is that the money paid to make Fukudome and Z go away doesn't just vanish from the books. It's still there, so the Cubs would effectively be paying $32 million for the first year of Adam Dunn. What's more, the Cubs are more than likely going to have to pay a great deal of Zambrano's 2012 guaranteed salary (at least $10 million of the $18 million owed to him), so in 2012 the Cubs will still be paying somewhere around $30 million+ for Adam Dunn. That would make for a $63.5 million payroll for FIVE players in 2012, with all standing options for that season bought out. If those options are picked up, that's $87.5 million for seven guys. That's atrocious.

I realize that the money is there. But really, it's not THAT bad. Look at the Cardinals, they are basically buttfucking themselves, should they sign Alberto. Then they will have ~55 MM in 3 players, not including Wainwright. It's really not that bad.

As for Dunn, there is no way he gets 17 million in his first year. No way. While I think that people who think he will get a slight 1 million dollar raise from his 10 million are low balling it, I think they are closer than your 17 million dollar min. figure. The fact that he strikes out a ton, will hurt him, although it shouldn't, it will.

 

[DewsSox79]

Hey, we also have no confirmation that we'll have A-Ram and his salary on the books next year. He could opt out.

he will not. write that down please.