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He sucks and his NFL career is over. Nice Nike deal tho
 

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No I read very clearly. You are putting your political views "being proud with the Bears for non-football reasons.", over the team success. There are only 53 roster spots on the team and you will be proud of the GM on wasting a spot to please your view of politics.....I read exactly what you wrote. I myself want the Bears to pick a 53 man roster for Football Reasons and nothing else. This is not charity or some proving a point bullshit. It is about winning games not taking fucking knees.

Good for you. I happen to find the cause that the protestors are kneeling for to be far more important than a game.
 

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Good for you. I happen to find the cause that the protestors are kneeling for to be far more important than a game.

I may be wrong, but I could've sworn you're involved with the military somehow. Just to give some perspective to some of these dorkchops.
 

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He sucks and his NFL career is over. Nice Nike deal tho

There will be none of that talking football here!

I can't believe some can't accept he sucks too much to put up with his distraction, especially himself. You would get more social justice points hiring the first female QB in the NFL and win just as much than if you'd hire Kaep.
 

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Good for you. I happen to find the cause that the protestors are kneeling for to be far more important than a game.

BLM or police abuse? Because BLM has actually hurt the topic of police abuse by making it a race issue and focusing too much on justified cases and calling for police abuse of white people. There are plenty of obviously innocent cases of police abuse (of all races) to get everyone up in arms. Why did BLM put so much effort into people with records of violence and videos showing them acting in ways that would make anyone want to punch them?
All of the police abuse activist pod casts and websites I used to follow have gone silent on the issue since BLM turned the topic into a joke.
 

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I may be wrong, but I could've sworn you're involved with the military somehow. Just to give some perspective to some of these dorkchops.
Not me. Many veterans I know do support their right to protest though. Almost all of the people most angered by it in my experience are racists, not soldiers.
BLM or police abuse? Because BLM has actually hurt the topic of police abuse by making it a race issue and focusing too much on justified cases and calling for police abuse of white people. There are plenty of obviously innocent cases of police abuse (of all races) to get everyone up in arms. Why did BLM put so much effort into people with records of violence and videos showing them acting in ways that would make anyone want to punch them?
All of the police abuse activist pod casts and websites I used to follow have gone silent on the issue since BLM turned the topic into a joke.
I'm talking about police brutality, yes.
 

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It would take him most of the season to learn the playbook. And he's not a long term answer. And a distraction. Not like he was a good QB in the first place either. Not worth it.

Not only would it take him many games to learn the offense, he probably is not in football shape. We already have Roquan and Kahlil not in the best shape coming in. I think he would cause division on a team that likes one another as well as the coaching staff. I'll stick with Trubisky and his struggles because he is getting better each week. He has the leadership intangibles and is straight out about not playing well and trying to do everything he can to get better. That is the kind of person who rises up when needed and helps the team in a myriad of ways.

Sadly, I have watched the bears struggle for many years under poor leadership and a lack of football knowledge with Ted Phillips running the show. The McCaskey's are spending the money and truly want a great football result. Finally, we have the beginnings of consistency and a GM who grew up in personnel with some guts who knows how to evaluate talent. We are somewhat nearly set up for many winning seasons in the future. Think of where we are today vs 3 years ago. We were a mess. Now we are beginning to show the signs of a winning team. Yes, there is a long way to go, but the foundation is much improved at nearly every position. Go Bears.
 

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Not me. Many veterans I know do support their right to protest though. Almost all of the people most angered by it in my experience are racists, not soldiers.
I'm talking about police brutality, yes.

Supporting the right to protest is different from supporting the goal of the protest. Very few people will disagree that police brutality is bad or that people have a right to make political protests. But many people will also criticize and question the presuppositions of the protest movement. For example, many of the protests accuse cops of racism against blacks. But much of the protests were also directed at cities like Baltimore, where a majority of the police force and the local government is black and hispanic. The cognitive dissonance of the protesters becomes meaningful.


In a city like Chicago, as another example, which has a long history of police corruption, there also is a long history of black gangs who statistically kill far more black people than the white cops do. A black man is far more statistically likely to be killed by another black man than by a white racist cops. When you start to point things like this out to the Black Lives Matter people, they either ignore this inconvenient truth or they call you a racist for pointing it out. Luckily, there are plenty of black public figures who say the same thing, so whenever someone calls you a racist for questioning the narrative of these protesters, it's convenient just to point to a black person who makes the same argument. That tends to confuse the BLM crowd and forces them to hurl racial epithets, like "uncle tom" and "coon".

Then there's the socialist, communist, radical feminist and black supremacist undertones of the Black Lives Matter movement, which most choose to ignore, but which I don't think should be ignored. We can choose to be blind to it, and act like the issue is just police brutality. But the truth is that most of the people protesting police brutality are political activists who want to advance some very radical left wing agendas. So, that needs to be acknowledged so that people get the full picture. There's been a very concerted media attempt to whitewash these protesters as righteous crusaders for a worthy cause. I don't think a corporation like Nike or a media network like MSNBC will ever acknowledge the left wing politics of someone like Kaepernick. They won't mention him rubbing elbows with Islamic fundamentalists or his silent nod to communist authoritarianism, they'd rather pretend like he's a simple hero against injustice. The reality is murkier than that.
 

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Supporting the right to protest is different from supporting the goal of the protest. Very few people will disagree that opposing police brutality is bad or that people have a right to make political protests. But many people will also criticize and question the presuppositions of the protest movement. For example, many of the protests accuse cops of racism against blacks. But much of the protests were also directed at cities like Baltimore, where a majority of the police force and the local government is black and hispanic. The cognitive dissonance of the protesters becomes meaningful.


In a city like Chicago, as another example, which has a long history of police corruption, there also is a long history of black gangs who statistically kill far more black people than the white cops do. A black man is far more statistically likely to be killed by another black man than by a white racist cops. When you start to point things like this out to the Black Lives Matter people, they either ignore this inconvenient truth or they call you a racist for pointing it out. Luckily, there are plenty of black public figures who say the same thing, so whenever someone calls you a racist for questioning the narrative of these protesters, it's convenient just to point to a black person who makes the same argument. That tends to confuse the BLM crowd and forces them to hurl racial epithets, like "uncle tom" and "coon".

Then there's the socialist, communist, radical feminist and black supremacist undertones of the Black Lives Matter movement, which most choose to ignore, but which I don't think should be ignored. We can choose to be blind to it, and act like the issue is just police brutality. But the truth is that most of the people protesting police brutality are political activists who want to advance some very radical left wing agendas. So, that needs to be acknowledged so that people get the full picture. There's been a very concerted media attempt to whitewash these protesters as righteous crusaders for a worthy cause. I don't think a corporation like Nike or a media network like MSNBC will ever acknowledge the left wing politics of someone like Kaepernick. They won't mention him rubbing elbows with Islamic fundamentalists or his silent nod to communist authoritarianism, they'd rather pretend like he's a simple hero against injustice. The reality is murkier than that.
I don't know why you're assuming that I'm a BLM supporter just because I said I'm against police brutality and supportive of protests against it. I don't identify with any radical political groups.

As for the recurring logical fallacy regarding people not complaining about blacks killing blacks in inner cities more than police killing blacks, this is a very dumb argument (no offense to you personally; it's made by countless people). Civilians are not employed by the taxpayer under oath to protect and serve the public. Holding the police to the same standards as street gangs is absurd.
 

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have checked his "resume". Did u checked his stats from his final season?

You mean the one that he didn't finish due to his play even though he had a decent rating but with less than 200 yds a game? Burn!!!!
 

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I don't know why you're assuming that I'm a BLM supporter just because I said I'm against police brutality and supportive of protests against it. I don't identify with any radical political groups.

As for the recurring logical fallacy regarding people not complaining about blacks killing blacks in inner cities more than police killing blacks, this is a very dumb argument (no offense to you personally; it's made by countless people). Civilians are not employed by the taxpayer under oath to protect and serve the public. Holding the police to the same standards as street gangs is absurd.

I'm not suggesting that you're a BLM supporter, I'm just referring to BLM because they started the protests and Kaepernick identifies with BLM. People in turn identify with Kaepernick, so ipso facto, those people indirectly support BLM.

When the issue is "black lives mattering", its absurd not to point out the logical fallacy in calling police racist, when the police force you happen to be calling racist is, in fact, a majority black and hispanic. And the municipal and state officials which oversee that police force are also majority black and hispanic. When the issue is the lives of black people being valued, it is relevant to point out that a black man is far more likely to be killed by another black man than by a white racist cop. That changes the entire narrative of the BLM crowd and the kneeling protesters. It's fair to question, just how big of an issue is this "cops killing black people" thing? Is it as big as the BLM crowd say? Are they exaggerating the dangers? When you start to look at the statistics, and you realize that far more white people are shot by cops every year than black people, and that no distinctions seem to be made between justified shootings and unjustified ones, and the media seizes on statistically uncommon events in an attempt to paint them as being more common than they are in order to stoke racial divisions, yet that same media does not point out the fact that black-on-black violence is many times more common and numerous than police brutality is....you take all these together and the entire narrative of the protesters starts to deteriorate somewhat.
 

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Not me. Many veterans I know do support their right to protest though. Almost all of the people most angered by it in my experience are racists, not soldiers.
I'm talking about police brutality, yes.

Friend of mine is an army ranger , did 2 tours in Afghanistan, loves trump and hates the protestors. Same with a guy I played football with who is a SEAL, loves trump and thinks the anthem protestors are idiots.
 

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Friend of mine is an army ranger , did 2 tours in Afghanistan, loves trump and hates the protestors. Same with a guy I played football with who is a SEAL, loves trump and thinks the anthem protestors are idiots.

Thanks for sharing. Half of my fam on Mom's side are career military, all of them outrank your friends. They think Trump is an idiot and couldn't care less about people kneeling to protest police brutality and racial injustice.
 

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Friend of mine is an army ranger , did 2 tours in Afghanistan, loves trump and hates the protestors. Same with a guy I played football with who is a SEAL, loves trump and thinks the anthem protestors are idiots.

I also know a guy who did some stuff and thinks something. That makes me important!
 

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I'm not suggesting that you're a BLM supporter, I'm just referring to BLM because they started the protests and Kaepernick identifies with BLM. People in turn identify with Kaepernick, so ipso facto, those people indirectly support BLM.

When the issue is "black lives mattering", its absurd not to point out the logical fallacy in calling police racist, when the police force you happen to be calling racist is, in fact, a majority black and hispanic. And the municipal and state officials which oversee that police force are also majority black and hispanic. When the issue is the lives of black people being valued, it is relevant to point out that a black man is far more likely to be killed by another black man than by a white racist cop. That changes the entire narrative of the BLM crowd and the kneeling protesters. It's fair to question, just how big of an issue is this "cops killing black people" thing? Is it as big as the BLM crowd say? Are they exaggerating the dangers? When you start to look at the statistics, and you realize that far more white people are shot by cops every year than black people, and that no distinctions seem to be made between justified shootings and unjustified ones, and the media seizes on statistically uncommon events in an attempt to paint them as being more common than they are in order to stoke racial divisions, yet that same media does not point out the fact that black-on-black violence is many times more common and numerous than police brutality is....you take all these together and the entire narrative of the protesters starts to deteriorate somewhat.
I'm against police brutality, period. Not just against police brutality towards black people.

My admiration for Kaepernick is in his continued stance against it. I agree that the whole thing would have been better if it were just about police brutality and not so race-specific, though I do believe that there's still a disproportionate amount of suspicion, cruelty, and general bad treatment towards people of color in policing and in society in general.

Another factor in my stance on this is my utter contempt for racist conservatives and their reaction to the whole thing. It makes me want to support it even more.
 

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I'm against police brutality, period. Not just against police brutality towards black people.

My admiration for Kaepernick is in his continued stance against it. I agree that the whole thing would have been better if it were just about police brutality and not so race-specific, though I do believe that there's still a disproportionate amount of suspicion, cruelty, and general bad treatment towards people of color in policing and in society in general.

Another factor in my stance on this is my utter contempt for racist conservatives and their reaction to the whole thing. It makes me want to support it even more.

I get you. Police corruption is an important issue to shine a light on. Especially in our city.

As for racist conservatives, I share your contempt for them, but I'd say there's also a lot of racists on the left in this country. But their racism gets justified and whitewashed by a friendly media. Black supremacy is racism. Many on the left don't even believe a black person CAN be racist. That's insane. I'm very suspicious of left wing radicals like BLM, and their feminist and black supremacist allies. They push some very toxic ideas.
 

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I get you. Police corruption is an important issue to shine a light on. Especially in our city.

As for racist conservatives, I share your contempt for them, but I'd say there's also a lot of racists on the left in this country. But their racism gets justified and whitewashed by a friendly media. Black supremacy is racism. Many on the left don't even believe a black person CAN be racist. That's insane. I'm very suspicious of left wing radicals like BLM, and their feminist and black supremacist allies. They push some very toxic ideas.
I agree. Radical groups in general aren't particularly useful for societal harmony.
 
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