Silvy: Bears Front Office Hates Claypool

[Nelly]

So now you're asserting that Dexter is better than Carter? This is amazing.

Can you point out where I said that?

 

[HeHateMe]

So now you're asserting that Dexter is better than Carter? This is amazing.

Profound oversimplification out of jealousy that @Nelly obviously had done more research for that one post than you've done for all of your "columns" combined.

 

[Nelly]

Profound oversimplification out of jealousy that @Nelly obviously had done more research for that one post than you've done for all of your "columns" combined.

There's a guy on YouTube named "Swift Sports" and he covers the Bears. He's a homer but he's doing All-22 breakdowns on all the draft picks where he watches every All-22 snap of a guys' college career (or so he says). The one on Dexter was over an hour long and was pretty fascinating. I watched the whole thing. There's lots to like.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Seriously, if it's a hammy the Bears should not be letting him come back until he's 100%. What use is it taking some reps with no pads, extending out the needed recovery and then having that stuff sideline him during the season. If a player in Claypool's situation is really on an island with this type of situation, I'd have an issue with the team, not the player.

Vikings “done did done” fucked up and rushed Randy Moss back into play too quickly one year from a hammy issue and made it worse

 

[Nelly]

So now you're asserting that Dexter is better than Carter? This is amazing.

See my post above about pointing out where I said that. I didn't, but just cause I've got a few minutes to kill.

Would I take Dexter straight up over Carter for this Bears team? Yes. Just my opinion. The last thing Carter needs it to come into a young team trying to learn how to win and be seen as the best player on the defensive line and one of the best on the defense. He needs a situation like he has in Philly with both big time established vets and a bunch of the guys he played with college to keep him in-line, not to mention how he doesn't have to come in on day 1 and dominate as would be the expectation here.

Dexter has massive upside and could end up being a better player than Carter in isolation if Carter's laziness carries over to the NFL and Dexter shows burst off the snap. A common comp for him is Chris Jones who was also drafted in the 2nd round and is currently one of the 5 best DTs in the game, if not top 2 right behind Aaron Donald. Have to see what happens when the real games start though before making any assertions either way.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1669062234494869515

The gift that keeps on giving

If the reports about Claypool are true about the teammates and front office turning against him are true, he is the biggest
mental midget of all time to not realize this is the make-or-break year of his career.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

See my post above about pointing out where I said that. I didn't, but just cause I've got a few minutes to kill.

Would I take Dexter straight up over Carter for this Bears team? Yes. Just my opinion. The last thing Carter needs it to come into a young team trying to learn how to win and be seen as the best player on the defensive line and one of the best on the defense. He needs a situation like he has in Philly with both big time established vets and a bunch of the guys he played with college to keep him in-line, not to mention how he doesn't have to come in on day 1 and dominate as would be the expectation here.

Dexter has massive upside and could end up being a better player than Carter in isolation if Carter's laziness carries over to the NFL and Dexter shows burst off the snap. A common comp for him is Chris Jones who was also drafted in the 2nd round and is currently one of the 5 best DTs in the game, if not top 2 right behind Aaron Donald. Have to see what happens when the real games start though before making any assertions either way.

Bump this.

 

[msadows]

So now you're asserting that Dexter is better than Carter? This is amazing.

I wouldnt go that far, but Dexter was actually a higher recruited prospect coming out of HS than Carter. It wouldn't shock me if he has a better pro career than Carter.

Honestly, there is a chance if they flipped schools that Dexter would be going in the first and Carter in the second. Clearly carter is the better and more polished prospect at the moment, but the talent is there for dexter too.

 

[Nelly]

If the reports about Claypool are true about the teammates and front office turning against him are true, he is the biggest
mental midget of all time to not realize this is the make-or-break year of his career.

I personally acknowledge that the move for Claypool could end up looking like a big blunder on Poles' part, just want to see what happens this year first rather than joining in with the chorus of debbie downers already declaring Claypool a complete and total bust. Poles made that trade for this year, not so much last year. If Chase can't show he's a reason for why we win games right from the jump of the regular season then it'll be time to push the panic button on him.

 

[msadows]

I personally acknowledge that the move for Claypool could end up looking like a big blunder on Poles' part, just want to see what happens this year first rather than joining in with the chorus of debbie downers already declaring Claypool a complete and total bust. Poles made that trade for this year, not so much last year. If Chase can't show he's a reason for why we win games right from the jump of the regular season then it'll be time to push the panic button on him.

Who cares at this point. Its crying over spilled milk, right?

I didn't mind the trade at the time, but the compensation is always going to be too much. On the other side, the same *******(Daniel) would be cunting about claypool not being traded for if he succeeded on the packers....because its what they do.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

See my post above about pointing out where I said that. I didn't, but just cause I've got a few minutes to kill.

Would I take Dexter straight up over Carter for this Bears team? Yes. Just my opinion. The last thing Carter needs it to come into a young team trying to learn how to win and be seen as the best player on the defensive line and one of the best on the defense. He needs a situation like he has in Philly with both big time established vets and a bunch of the guys he played with college to keep him in-line, not to mention how he doesn't have to come in on day 1 and dominate as would be the expectation here.

Dexter has massive upside and could end up being a better player than Carter in isolation if Carter's laziness carries over to the NFL and Dexter shows burst off the snap. A common comp for him is Chris Jones who was also drafted in the 2nd round and is currently one of the 5 best DTs in the game, if not top 2 right behind Aaron Donald. Have to see what happens when the real games start though before making any assertions either way.

The same old bullshit excuses. "He needs to be in the right situation." Yeah I guess Randy Moss needed to be in the right situation, Warren Sapp needed to be in the right situation. Stop overblowing the media reports on him that have nothing to do with him as a player. These are the same bullshit talking points that get rehashed in politics. You're ignoring the player and regurgitating the Chicago media talking points that excuse the Bears passing on Carter.

The talking points for Carter are like the talking points going around for Justin Fields and Chase Claypool. Justin Fields is a good leader, he works hard in the off season, he's buried in the playbook, he watches a lot of film. Justin Fields will be better when he has a better offensive line, and better receivers. Chase Claypool will be better with a change of scenery, Claypool will be better when he's not the number one receiver, Claypool will be better with an off-season to grow in the Bears offense.

Notice DJ Moore doesn't need any talking points. Teven Jenkins doesn't need any talking points.

Load up on those talking points, heard the same crap about Jalen Carter for the past 5 months.

 

[Nelly]

Who cares at this point. Its crying over spilled milk, right?

You could say the same about any move really. Why cry about drafting Trubisky over Mahomes and trading up a spot to do it when it's already done? Well, it kinda goes toward the GMs thought process and his track record.

I get the reasoning for the deal and agree with it. It's just on Chase now to put his big girl panties on and earn a big contract extension through how he plays. It's all set up for him to succeed here. If he doesn't, then Poles will have that blunder on his resume. But no GM is perfect, it'd be silly to think Poles is/would be.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Poles made that trade for this year, not so much last year.

No he didn't, the Bears were 3-4 and the offense seemed to be finding its stride and Poles wanted to give Fields a better weapon in the passing game to provide some dividends immediately. The NFC North was wide open because the Vikings had a negative point differential, the Packers were struggling to build chemistry between Rodgers and the rookie WRs and the Lions got hot at the end of the season.

So no they're not going to make a trade where they're going to evaluate a player for one season and then decide to extend him based on what he did in one season.

Stop it with the excuses. You don't trade for a guy and then go....well we will take one year to evaluate him and then decide whether or not to extend him. Claypool was expected to make an immediate difference and even when he was healthy he was shut out from catching the ball entirely.

 

[Bust]

Silvy: Bears Front Office Hates Claypool​

so QB1 has no say? guarantee he does. Justin and the wr coach isn't comfortable with his routes which trickled down to the rest.

Claypool's dog house status started with the qb1 and wr coach. duh

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Can you point out where I said that?

Apparently you don't kn ow what asserting means?

 

[Nelly]

The same old bullshit excuses. "He needs to be in the right situation." Yeah I guess Randy Moss needed to be in the right situation, Warren Sapp needed to be in the right situation. Stop overblowing the media reports on him that have nothing to do with him as a player. These are the same bullshit talking points that get rehashed in politics. You're ignoring the player and regurgitating the Chicago media talking points that excuse the Bears passing on Carter.

The talking points for Carter are like the talking points going around for Justin Fields and Chase Claypool. Justin Fields is a good leader, he works hard in the off season, he's buried in the playbook, he watches a lot of film. Justin Fields will be better when he has a better offensive line, and better receivers. Chase Claypool will be better with a change of scenery, Claypool will be better when he's not the number one receiver, Claypool will be better with an off-season to grow in the Bears offense.

Notice DJ Moore doesn't need any talking points. Teven Jenkins doesn't need any talking points.

Load up on those talking points, heard the same crap about Jalen Carter for the past 5 months.

Henry Ruggs doesn't need any talking points either. There's a reason why character is a valid concern for NFL executives and those of us playing armchair GM here. Jalen Carter reminds me of the legendary Eddy Curry who had all the talent in the world but just didn't really give a shit about playing basketball. Same vibes there for me, and just my opinion. I could be wrong.

For what it's worth, I accept Justin Fields' shortcoming from this last year that he was in control of, namely seeing guys that are NFL open and throwing them open. He needs to get better at that. Having better than a bottom 5 pass-blocking line and bottom 5 cast of receiving options will certainly help but no receiver or offensive line can completely make up for that. So you're not talking to some blind homer here.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

If the reports about Claypool are true about the teammates and front office turning against him are true, he is the biggest
mental midget of all time to not realize this is the make-or-break year of his career.

It's extremely rare for the Bears to leak this type of information out into the ethos like this. They don't usually source information where they go and rip a player for not doing the things they hoped he would be doing. This type of leak is not how the Bears operate and it's never been how the Bears operate. So either it's an entirely bullshit report (which is not likely the case given the fact that it's coming from Silvy on the Bears new flagship radio station ESPN 1000) or the same crap that Claypool pulled in Pittsburgh is happening in Chicago.

Take a swing on the odds of which is most likely....

 

[Nelly]

No he didn't, the Bears were 3-4 and the offense seemed to be finding its stride and Poles wanted to give Fields a better weapon in the passing game to provide some dividends immediately. The NFC North was wide open because the Vikings had a negative point differential, the Packers were struggling to build chemistry between Rodgers and the rookie WRs and the Lions got hot at the end of the season.

You think he got Claypool mid-season last year to try to make a run while simultaneously trading his 2 best defensive players? Really? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but at least to me, it was always about this coming year because the free agent market for WRs was going to be a bad one and the draft wasn't offering a bevy of high-end talent. Hence, Poles trading a second rounder for a physical talent that you weren't going to get either in free agency or the draft. Effectively, he spent his 2nd round pick a half-year early. So yea, you would have liked to see Chase do more last year but him and Fields actually played less than 100 snaps together last year on an otherwise broken pass game.

So no they're not going to make a trade where they're going to evaluate a player for one season and then decide to extend him based on what he did in one season.

Stop it with the excuses. You don't trade for a guy and then go....well we will take one year to evaluate him and then decide whether or not to extend him. Claypool was expected to make an immediate difference and even when he was healthy he was shut out from catching the ball entirely.

Maybe for you. See my comments above. I would have liked to see more of course but i'm not ready to call it a failure yet. But like for Fields this year, there's no excuses for Claypool not playing at a high level this year. It's all there for him, he needs to perform.

 

[msadows]

HEy daniel,

Can you tell us again how Shane Ray will be the next Terrell Suggs?

 

[msadows]

You think he got Claypool mid-season last year to try to make a run while simultaneously trading his 2 best defensive players? Really? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but at least to me, it was always about this coming year because the free agent market for WRs was going to be a bad one and the draft wasn't offering a bevy of high-end talent. Hence, Poles trading a second rounder for a physical talent that you weren't going to get either in free agency or the draft. Effectively, he spent his 2nd round pick a half-year early. So yea, you would have liked to see Chase do more last year but him and Fields actually played less than 100 snaps together last year on an otherwise broken pass game.


Maybe for you. See my comments above. I would have liked to see more of course but i'm not ready to call it a failure yet. But like for Fields this year, there's no excuses for Claypool not playing at a high level this year. It's all there for him, he needs to perform.

Bro, daniel has a peanut sized brane. Dont bother arguing sportsball with him. Look up his previous "articles" from when he was on BearsFan51.

Dumbass said JAck Conklin would be a major bust, meanwhile, he was an all pro as a rookie.