Some QB Needy Teams Will Wait Until Next Year

[SlickWilly]

You know, I tried. Same Old shit. More interested in being right than engaging in real convo.
Just piss off.

He’s proven he’s a stupid motherfucker COUNTLESS times on here. It is in your best interest to stop wasting time with him.

 

[Myk]

FWIW, Our worst busts in the top 10 have come on offense (Terrell, Benson, White, Trubisky)

If you watch the games instead of the highlights or stat sheets, you'll see it's not the offense that is keeping us from winning games. It's absolutely the defense. If the goal is to win more games, then you have to focus on the D for this specific team.

You know what position we have not drafted when we had a top 10 pick? Pass rusher or DT. Maybe that is what is keeping us from winning like other teams. Playoff teams will use a top pick for a pass rusher. There is no doubt that Von Miller, Gerald McCoy, Jadaveon Clowney, Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, DeForest Buckner, Bradley Chubb, and Nick Bosa were crucial in their teams' playoff run. Maybe if we could draft a top pass rusher, we wouldn't have to give up draft picks or take on expensive free agent contracts.

Just admit that taking a QB with the #2 pick is just a stoned idea, WTF would a team with a franchise QB and a godawful defense pass on taking the top edge rusher or 3-tech? If the player doesn't turn out to be a bust, it would improve the defense immediately. More bang for the buck as it would make the LBs and DBs better. We already have someone that makes our OL and receivers appear better, and that's Justin Fields. We need a guy like that on D.

You blame Trubisky when you had a pass rusher taken with a 5th and that took all of the picks for Trubisky's rookie contract to sign?
We got Mack because they didn't want to pay for that #5 pick and we got rid of him because we couldn't continue to afford it. Now you want to spend #2 on the same position and expect different results?
Are the refs going to start flagging the Packers when they hold the pass rushers?

The cost of a #2 pick is precisely why you trade it down. That is worth paying a good QB or you don't keep them around. Nobody else on the team is worth the top 5 contract after the rookie contract is up. And if it's $20mil for any play except defense fans throw a fit.
Myles Garrett didn't save the Browns. Whoever you want isn't going to save us. We're a lot further than one player away.

You know, I tried. Same Old shit. More interested in being right than engaging in real convo.
Just piss off.

You've had plenty of opportunity to piss off yourself. Instead of trying to force your advice on me why don't you try taking it yourself? Aww the poor baby can't dictate to others.

Some idiot trying to spin a make believe story ran into my make believe story. Sorry, if I can't trade down I'm taking a QB. The make believe story to force the bears to do what the OP wants failed because I'm not playing along.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Most agree that there are only 2 top prospects (Stroud & Young) in this draft worth trading
up for or drafting very high.
With a lot of needy teams I think some may wait until next year for Caleb Williams and try to
position themselves for that. Caleb is a generational talent with all the boxes checked.
If the GM and HC have job security and Owner blessing I think it may happen.
What do you think?

Oh shucks. Then I guess the Bears will have to take Anderson or Carter.

 

[jive]

You blame Trubisky when you had a pass rusher taken with a 5th and that took all of the picks for Trubisky's rookie contract to sign?
We got Mack because they didn't want to pay for that #5 pick and we got rid of him because we couldn't continue to afford it. Now you want to spend #2 on the same position and expect different results?
Are the refs going to start flagging the Packers when they hold the pass rushers?

The cost of a #2 pick is precisely why you trade it down. That is worth paying a good QB or you don't keep them around. Nobody else on the team is worth the top 5 contract after the rookie contract is up. And if it's $20mil for any play except defense fans throw a fit.
Myles Garrett didn't save the Browns. Whoever you want isn't going to save us. We're a lot further than one player away.

The whole premise of your argument is using the #2 pick on a QB if no-one will trade for it. Which is more asinine than any argument that I can make.

I'll make it simple: What would improve the team more in 2023 if no-one offers fair compensation for the #2 pick? Pass rusher vs Backup QB?

I don't know if you watched the game today, but Aaron Rodgers had enough to bake a turkey in the pocket.

 

[Myk]

The whole premise of your argument is using the #2 pick on a QB if no-one will trade for it. Which is more asinine than any argument that I can make.

I'll make it simple: What would improve the team more in 2023 if no-one offers fair compensation for the #2 pick? Pass rusher vs Backup QB?

I don't know if you watched the game today, but Aaron Rodgers had enough to bake a turkey in the pocket.

A starting QB that's better than Fields would help the team the most out of any position in the whole Bears organization. It wouldn't matter if we completely lost the worse of the two for nothing. We'd have one as a cheap backup for their rookie contract which is a steal compared to what we've been paying. Having 2 young QBs could even open up a roster spot.

The whole premise of your argument is to repeat the mistakes we got rid of months ago. And to repeat mistakes we've been making for almost 40 years.
When has all the talent goes to D ever worked for the Bears? Answer that.
You can't say '85 because we had a QB, we had a RB, we had WRs and we had an oline and the defense would be ejected from any game they step foot in with today's rules. We've been losers for 37 years with this fantasy of what '85 was and what Papa Bear did.

Someone will offer compensation if the QBs hold on to their hype so the whole premise of this thread is complete BS. With their TD numbers don't count on them losing their hype.
Someone makes up a story and is too egomaniacal to understand the difference between their wishes and reality. Nobody is waiting until next year to hope there's a QB that's better than one this year because fans always think next year is the deeper draft for whatever they don't want this year.
The only thing that keeps all the teams from trading up is the QBs have issues that come up.

 

[nc0gnet0]

A starting QB that's better than Fields would help the team the most out of any position in the whole Bears organization. It wouldn't matter if we completely lost the worse of the two for nothing. We'd have one as a cheap backup for their rookie contract which is a steal compared to what we've been paying. Having 2 young QBs could even open up a roster spot.

The whole premise of your argument is to repeat the mistakes we got rid of months ago. And to repeat mistakes we've been making for almost 40 years.
When has all the talent goes to D ever worked for the Bears? Answer that.
You can't say '85 because we had a QB, we had a RB, we had WRs and we had an oline and the defense would be ejected from any game they step foot in with today's rules. We've been losers for 37 years with this fantasy of what '85 was and what Papa Bear did.

Someone will offer compensation if the QBs hold on to their hype so the whole premise of this thread is complete BS. With their TD numbers don't count on them losing their hype.
Someone makes up a story and is too egomaniacal to understand the difference between their wishes and reality. Nobody is waiting until next year to hope there's a QB that's better than one this year because fans always think next year is the deeper draft for whatever they don't want this year.
The only thing that keeps all the teams from trading up is the QBs have issues that come up.

 

[Dstone5553]

I'm thinking this team wins one more game this season and all this talk is mute.


Unfortunately.

 

[jive]

A starting QB that's better than Fields would help the team the most out of any position in the whole Bears organization. It wouldn't matter if we completely lost the worse of the two for nothing. We'd have one as a cheap backup for their rookie contract which is a steal compared to what we've been paying. Having 2 young QBs could even open up a roster spot.

The whole premise of your argument is to repeat the mistakes we got rid of months ago. And to repeat mistakes we've been making for almost 40 years.
When has all the talent goes to D ever worked for the Bears? Answer that.
You can't say '85 because we had a QB, we had a RB, we had WRs and we had an oline and the defense would be ejected from any game they step foot in with today's rules. We've been losers for 37 years with this fantasy of what '85 was and what Papa Bear did.

Someone will offer compensation if the QBs hold on to their hype so the whole premise of this thread is complete BS. With their TD numbers don't count on them losing their hype.
Someone makes up a story and is too egomaniacal to understand the difference between their wishes and reality. Nobody is waiting until next year to hope there's a QB that's better than one this year because fans always think next year is the deeper draft for whatever they don't want this year.
The only thing that keeps all the teams from trading up is the QBs have issues that come up.

Name a successful franchise that used 2 top 10 draft picks on a QB within 3 years.
I can name a bunch that used their top 10/Top 5 draft pick on defense.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Most agree that there are only 2 top prospects (Stroud & Young) in this draft worth trading
up for or drafting very high.
With a lot of needy teams I think some may wait until next year for Caleb Williams and try to
position themselves for that. Caleb is a generational talent with all the boxes checked.
If the GM and HC have job security and Owner blessing I think it may happen.
What do you think?

I think if you are the Bears and you end up with the 2nd overall pick, you leverage that pick for not just for multiple first round picks this year, but next year as well.

That way, you also increase your chances to trade down for a massive haul next year as well.

 

[Myk]

Name a successful franchise that used 2 top 10 draft picks on a QB within 3 years.
I can name a bunch that used their top 10/Top 5 draft pick on defense.

You failed to say when your plan has worked for the Bears. As much as we've spend top talent on defense I'd think you'd have many examples.
Thank for playing. That's all I needed to know.

My draft a QB plan is only to answer the asinine claim that nobody will move up to #2 to justify spending that on one player. I don't have to back it up, it is absurdity meets absurdity.
You are the one wanting to spend everything on one player. I am the one wanting to turn that one player into 7-10 players.

9'ers got McGlinchy, we got Smith. Which team's fans are debating what to do with the #2 pick? Which team still has that pick working for them?

 

[The Hawk]

The whole premise of your argument is using the #2 pick on a QB if no-one will trade for it. Which is more asinine than any argument that I can make.

I'll make it simple: What would improve the team more in 2023 if no-one offers fair compensation for the #2 pick? Pass rusher vs Backup QB?

I don't know if you watched the game today, but Aaron Rodgers had enough to bake a turkey in the pocket.

Yeah. Our defensive line is the worst one I have ever seen the Chicago Bears ever have.

 

[jive]

Yeah. Our defensive line is the worst one I have ever seen the Chicago Bears ever have.

This is one of the few times where our D line is worse than our O-line

 

[jive]

You failed to say when your plan has worked for the Bears. As much as we've spend top talent on defense I'd think you'd have many examples.
Thank for playing. That's all I needed to know.

My draft a QB plan is only to answer the asinine claim that nobody will move up to #2 to justify spending that on one player. I don't have to back it up, it is absurdity meets absurdity.
You are the one wanting to spend everything on one player. I am the one wanting to turn that one player into 7-10 players.

9'ers got McGlinchy, we got Smith. Which team's fans are debating what to do with the #2 pick? Which team still has that pick working for them?

Never said I would spend it all on one player. I just wouldn't trade down if it would cost us getting a premiere D-lineman.

Since you just stated that your argument is absurd, I'm done. We are in agreement.
There's a couple decades of NFL history to support my argument. Feel free to look it up.

I'm going to use my energy on something more worthwhile, like this joint I rolled.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

I think if you are the Bears and you end up with the 2nd overall pick, you leverage that pick for not just for multiple first round picks this year, but next year as well.

That way, you also increase your chances to trade down for a massive haul next year as well.

I agree, Bears should trade down and hopefully enough teams needing a QB won't wait like my concern above.

 

[jive]

I agree, Bears should trade down and hopefully enough teams needing a QB won't wait like my concern above.

I wouldn't trade down further than 5-7. I don't think Jalen Carter, Will Anderson, or Myles Murphy will last past those picks. I think the drop off in talent is considerable enough that I wouldn't want to miss out on the chance to draft one of them.

The last time we made the Super Bowl, we had a dominant DT in Harris and DE in Peppers. We need to get at least one of those pieces in this draft, if not both.

 

[Runruffshod75]

Most agree that there are only 2 top prospects (Stroud & Young) in this draft worth trading
up for or drafting very high.
With a lot of needy teams I think some may wait until next year for Caleb Williams and try to
position themselves for that. Caleb is a generational talent with all the boxes checked.
If the GM and HC have job security and Owner blessing I think it may happen.
What do you think?

Let's not forget that these are the same "experts" who told us all the 2021 QB class was legendary.

2021 has been a legendary media "expert" hyped QB class. Just not the legendary they claimed.

 

[MDB111™]

If we get a top 2 pick I would go QB if no one wants to move up because we have a QB already. Someone will offer a trade then for sure. If not let the better QB win the job. It will push both QBs and one can always be traded later.

Would you wanna trade for Mitch?

 

[HeHateMe]

If we get a top 2 pick I would go QB if no one wants to move up because we have a QB already. Someone will offer a trade then for sure. If not let the better QB win the job. It will push both QBs and one can always be traded later.

the If not scenario is one of the stupidest scenarios an organization could put themselves in, in today's game.

 

[RandomGuy]

I think it's odd how some people think it's always next year until next year gets here then it's next year again.

Let's say we have #2 and those are the only 2 QBs worth it. Nobody wants to move up because they think we won't take a QB since we have Fields. I'm taking a QB.
You wanted to wait until next year? Fine call me next year and you can have the one that didn't work out as well and since it's a known commodity then you can pay the same price or more.

Nobody is waiting. If they want one of those QBs they'll pay. Nobody is banking on the Bears being all in on Fields. Few are waiting for a QB next year and nobody is putting off a QB they would like this year for one they might like more next year.

Exactly. You can't wait if you need one now. Other teams will grab the guy that you wanted if you do.

 

[MDB111™]

the If not scenario is one of the stupidest scenarios an organization could put themselves in, in today's game.

They could litetally be qb#1 and qb#2 at the same time. Direct snap to Monty,Herbert,Stroud or Feilds.