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WHat about something like Deng, Asik, 1st rd pick?

You're still going to need more money into the deal. Deng and Asik's contract wouldn't meet the requirements for the deal and a 1st round pick would hold little to no value in this trade. You'd be giving them the 17th pick this year, "meh" at best, or your 1st rounder next year would/should be a very late 1st round pick based on how good the Bulls should be with Bosh/James/Rose etc. 1st round NBA picks, unless they are in the lottery aren't really worth much of anything.

You'd have to go Deng,Hinrich,1st Rnd this year. Deng, Hinirch, Noah for Bosh etc. And that's just to make the money match up and give Toronto some value.
 

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NY media doenst know jack, nobody knows what going on to tell you the truth.

were just going to have to wait and see what happens.
 

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Bron is leaning towards a winner, and that is what he will easily get here.
 

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yeah, 63 % sure.
 

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i have him coming to the bulls in a similar percentage rate. mine is. 55%.
 

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i think its 60 chi/40 clev
 

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based on what analysts have said, what he has said and my gut feeling, that is how I got my number.
 

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Well we had a 1.7% chance of winning the lottery for Rose so "anything is possible".
 

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If Lebron is pulling the strings on the Brown and Ferry firings/signings then I'd say right now it's 70/30 Cleveland.
 

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Whats getting lost by many is that this doesnt work like a straight up trade.

Except for the trading part of sign-and-trade, right?

Its not necessarily Toronto putting him on the trade block and taking the best offer.

Of course not. Has anyone even insinuated that ever?

What happens is Bosh goes to Toronto and says, "I want to play in, lets say, Chicago,...work something out."

I doubt it's that cut-and-dry, but I get what you're saying....

If Bosh wants that extra year, the Bulls need to give them something but its not a case where theyre going to get equal value.

Probably not. And again, who has ever even hinted at this being the case?

Youre likely looking at some combination of value players (ie cheap)

Like Joakim Noah.

and players who are good but have bad contracts....

...that almost completely negate what they actually bring to the court on a regular basis as of late (a la Deng and Hinrich), but they are taken anyway to 1) make the money work for the other team and 2) as an avenue to get real value added on.

Look, Toronto isn't in the driver's seat per se, but they definitely do hold some sway over their own future. If Bosh were to walk, they would have 9 players under contract worth about $46 million, so not that much room to maneuver were Bosh were to hit the road for nothing.

As part of any deal with Bosh involving giving him a contract (signing him to keep him or as part of a SAT), the Raptors would immediately be put over the cap, and if they were to deal with a team close to the cap (as the Bulls would be if they got LBJ and were looking to nab Bosh, too), the contracts would have to match up to a large degree under the CBA.

Now, if the Raptors want to sign Bosh and dish him as part of a SAT, they are going to have to receive actual value from that trade (and that trade alone) because the result (assuming they deal with a team close to the cap) would leave them very little wiggle-room afterwords, were they to have room at all.

Knowing that, the Raptors would have to negotiate a deal that brings them real value (not the non-lottery picks the Bulls can offer or Omer fucking Asik), and they could very well ask for Joakim Noah, because the result of a trade without Noah's value would leave them with two bloated contracts and nowhere to go from there. I highly doubt they want to end up in that situation (two bloated contracts, less Chris Bosh and right up against the cap if not over it), so if the Bulls refuse to give up Noah as part of any deal, they may very well value their position after Bosh leaves for nothing more than they do their position after they get only Hinrich and Deng.
 

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i think its 60 chi/40 clev

I think that's a good call percentage wise...

Sad thing is my gut is telling me 52 Chi/48 Cle, for whatever reason. :bizarro::rolleyes:

but hey, I still would rather stick a strong 60/40 any day.
 

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its all guestimation at this point tho

we are both pretty close but does anyone REALLY know what lebron is thinking?

well we got a couple of weeks left

july 1st BAM
 

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True, we have ZERO clue.

Thing is, since we've moved into the month of June, the days to free agency have seemed to speed up to me.
 

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