Stalberg Re-signs

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Assuming Stalberg doesn't make the team this year over players that beat him out in camp, like he did last year?
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Honestly if Stalberg just started hitting a lot, kind of like Karl Stewart, his services would be very useful. Problem is, he thinks he's destined as a top 6 forward IMO.
 

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Oh man. I am getting some good chuckles out of the whole "Olesz costs the Hawks nothing but $4 mil in cap space savings" spin. Ahahaha. Yeah. . .maybe if you're a proponent of New Math where $3 mil for a player that in 6 NHL seasons has put up 30, 29, and 26 pts. totals as his career highs is somehow a FAR better deal than a player who in 1 full season put up 24 pts with 4th line minutes and only costs $875K. Anything Olesz produces is NOT a "bonus" if he plays, it's $3 mil. Period. Let's get real here----Dale Tallon has to spend upwards of $30 mil to just meet the cap floor and has been taking on other team's salary dumps like they were going out of style and even Dale did not see Olesz and his $3 mil as a part of FLA's spending plans. A "deal" to Chicago would have been taking The Ginger and giving us a junk prospect and some low picks just so he could still pad his cap not in making Stan take a $3 mil former 7th overall Draftee bust (so far for FLA, not saying it's his destiny everywhere) who may or may not still be injured. So for right now I'm all about regular old math where $875K for 24 pts. trumps $3 mil for 30 pts. at a time when neither Frolik nor Campoli have been re-signed and the team never picked up a 2C. It's all of concern to me.



GMAFB, Beach? For reals people? A player who from what I can gather spent his first pro season in Rockford underwhelmingly playing himself down the Hawks own internal depth chart. That Beach? All that I can say about Beach is that he's a genuine wild card right now who could STILL legitimately go either way but his time with the Hogs didn't prove jack shit except he still hasn't learned to totally use his brains and how to maximize his potential talents out on the ice. So Stalberg is lazy and is a doofus on the ice according to some but somehow lazy and boneheaded decision-making Beach is gonna bust hump, give it 110% and finally use his head on the 3rd or 4th line for the Hawks. Right. We know this how? Let's see if he finally has a standout Training Camp and pre-season before we start anointing him to the 4th line.



Morin. Morin is a stud with Top 6 potential and his development would be wasted on a 4th line IMO. He's better than that and I think most if us expect better than that from him if he can be a stud once again at Training Camp and pre-season and play his way onto the roster. There are no guarantees though because quite frankly I don't know how Morin's game is looking these days---he injured his shoulder in Dec. at the WJC, recouperated from that then returned to playing for the Hogs for all of a few weeks before going down in Jan. with either a consussion or whiplash or whatever head/neck injury severe enough for him to miss the rest of the Hogs season. All I know is that he was called upon to be a Black Ace and that the coaches say he should be fine for TC---we have ZERO idea how his game is actually looking though going back to the first two weeks of fucking January. If he's 2010 Morin then that will be fucking FANTASTIC and I hope that he can snatch the 2nd line LW spot and be lights-out. Cross our fingers that he is ready.



Ben Smith---unless he regresses to an unimaginable degree at TC and pre-season, I think we're all pretty much in agreement that he's likely earned a spot.



The only thing I will concede is that yes, the Stalberg signing even at a low price is helping to promote a logistical roster logjam right now. But THAT'S precisely what Camp is for---helping to sort these issues out and then further distillation after Camp with who makes the cut for the pre-season. He might get traded, he might or might not make the team and that's the same for all the non-star players caught up in the logjam. I can't say he doesn't fit because there's not even been Camp action yet. We'll just have to see how it all plays out. I rather prefer that the Hawks greatest so-called "burden" going into this TC is perhaps bringing too many players with upside to Camp as opposed to last year when they had signed and knew they were going to have to keep some underwhelming talent because of the cap woes.
 

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classic bookie wall of text ^^^



True dat. BUT considering how often I actually post in Hawks Talk threads (where it's not just re-posting news content) I still have a pretty fucking paltry posting average compared to most who engage in a helluva lot of full conversations.
 

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Out of that wall of text... I only saw the Beach part... and I agree, he is a wildcard. Trade him while he still does have value.... go go Stan'o'trader!
 

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True dat. BUT considering how often I actually post in Hawks Talk threads (where it's not just re-posting news content) I still have a pretty fucking paltry posting average compared to most who engage in a helluva lot of full conversations.



I didn't mean it in a bad way at all. I appreciate people who put that much energy into posting. Post moar in hawk talk
 

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Out of that wall of text... I only saw the Beach part... and I agree, he is a wildcard. Trade him while he still does have value.... go go Stan'o'trader!



Say what? Stu, are you running a low-grade fever?
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Beej, you should write for IHN. I think my IQ just raised 25 points after reading that.
 

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The Hawks are no longer in cap trouble, so Olesz's cap hit for this season is meaningless. The Hawks will likely be several million BELOW the cap ceiling this season, actually. Unless we take on a bunch of salary before the season starts. Which, is fairly unlikely.



That said, all I care about is who can actually contribute more to the Hawks. If Olesz is a serviceable third liner for the Hawks(sounds like he is), he's already more useful than Stalberg. Cap hit really doesn't come into play, because we'll have the cap space to make a move at the deadline either way.



Moving Campbell and acquiring Olesz really had nothing to do with this season. It has to do with the rest of his contract, and giving the Hawks the flexibility to keep their players going forward.



I just don't see where Stalberg is going to fit in on this team. What we need more than Stalberg for $900k is a fourth liner center.....
 

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So now the big question - does he get traded cause he filed for arbitration? i.e. sign and trade
 

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I don't see stalberg getting traded, and this should put to rest the constant assertion that if you file for arbitration your gone. Campoli most likely also will resign before a hearing.



Stalberg has potential to be a decent 3d/4th liner, with occasional duties with the top 6. If he doesn't reach his potential, no biggie, the cap hit is minimal. Stalberg better get busy this summer and bring it next year, otherwise he'll be in the press box a lot, or going to the Rock (if his contract allows it).



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The Hawks are no longer in cap trouble, so Olesz's cap hit for this season is meaningless. The Hawks will likely be several million BELOW the cap ceiling this season, actually. Unless we take on a bunch of salary before the season starts. Which, is fairly unlikely.



That said, all I care about is who can actually contribute more to the Hawks. If Olesz is a serviceable third liner for the Hawks(sounds like he is), he's already more useful than Stalberg. Cap hit really doesn't come into play, because we'll have the cap space to make a move at the deadline either way.



Moving Campbell and acquiring Olesz really had nothing to do with this season. It has to do with the rest of his contract, and giving the Hawks the flexibility to keep their players going forward.



I just don't see where Stalberg is going to fit in on this team. What we need more than Stalberg for $900k is a fourth liner center.....



I love how you convienenly forget that that 4 million we saved put a huge hole in this team on defense. It wasn't a trade that we gained 4 million in cap space only... it doesn't work that way because of the amount of talent that was given away to gain that 4 mil.
 

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I love how you convienenly forget that that 4 million we saved put a huge hole in this team on defense. It wasn't a trade that we gained 4 million in cap space only... it doesn't work that way because of the amount of talent that was given away to gain that 4 mil.



Campbell or Sharp???? You make the call
 

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Campbell or Sharp???? You make the call



That has nothing to do with it. You are still losing campbell. You can't say the trade netted you 4 mil so it was a good deal. The trade also severely downgraded the team, meaning much of that 4 mil you saved is going to have to be spend getting it back up to the level it needs to be. Everyone praises Soups but hated the contract. Now that the contract is gone you can't forget how much he did for this team.
 

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That has nothing to do with it. You are still losing campbell. You can't say the trade netted you 4 mil so it was a good deal. The trade also severely downgraded the team, meaning much of that 4 mil you saved is going to have to be spend getting it back up to the level it needs to be. Everyone praises Soups but hated the contract. Now that the contract is gone you can't forget how much he did for this team.



This year? Yeah, you're probably right. Next year and beyond, if Leddy continues to develop as expected? No. Leddy will likely be a better defenseman than Campbell as soon as 2012. Campbell is going to decline as he ages, injuries pile up, and he loses his only elite asset. His speed. He has already missed substantial games the last two seasons. Sixty-eight played in 2009-2010. Sixty-five played in 2010-2011. I'll take Leddy going forward over Campbell, especially at six million less per season.
 

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With Leddy coming up, he could be the potential Campbell replacement. While Soupy might be missed the next couple of years, his $7.1M for the next 5-years won't and this allows the Hawks to sign their youngsters once they are up for new contracts. Leddy being one of them.
 

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And I would probably contend that with what we saw this year, by 2012 Campbell's contract may look like a steal.
 

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And I would probably contend that with what we saw this year, by 2012 Campbell's contract may look like a steal.



New CBA coming up. No telling what could happen with the cap. It was good to get out of the rest of that deal, any way you look at it. Guy still has like $36 million left on the deal.
 

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