Starlin Castro discussion thread

[X]

Up to 7 I believe? On pace for, idk, 75 or so on the season?

I know it's a wasted season, I know he's incredibly talented, I know he's young.

But seriously. Can't keep making errors.

I'll set the over/under at 30 again this season. Starlin was just under 30 last season (29), and still had the most errors in baseball. I'll say he keeps this streak going.

Update: this will be for all Castro talk, not just errors.

 

[Rice Cube]

30 sounds about right.

 

[X]

30 sounds about right.

I'm taking the over. I say 36

 

[inactiveuser1]

Over, 33

 

[dabynsky]

I know it has been said over and over again, but look at other SS at this age. They make lots of errors. It is just the nature of the beast. Some figure it out and become special defenders and other don't. We have a couple seasons to see which one it is with Castro.

 

[MRubio52]

I know it has been said over and over again, but look at other SS at this age. They make lots of errors. It is just the nature of the beast. Some figure it out and become special defenders and other don't. We have a couple seasons to see which one it is with Castro.

Jeter at age 21 had a .953 fldg. percentage at the minor league level.

Castro at age 21 full season worth of stats had a .961 fldg. percentage.

He'll be fine.

 

[dabynsky]

Furcal is a comparison I drew last year. At age 22, he ended the year playing 110 games at SS at the big league level with a .950 fielding percentage. Again it is frustrating to watch, but Castro could end up being just fine at SS defensively.

 

[Rice Cube]

Fielding percentage isn't the best evaluator. Plus Jeter has always been a subpar defender even if he wins Gold Gloves. The difference is that Jeter was a great offensive player and Starlin at this point is merely a very good one.

Castro has range, a good arm, and athleticism. What he lacks seems to be concentration. He probably does need more work, but if he doesn't figure it out in a couple seasons I think they have to consider moving him, depending on how his offense comes along.

 

[MRubio52]

Furcal is a comparison I drew last year. At age 22, he ended the year playing 110 games at SS at the big league level with a .950 fielding percentage. Again it is frustrating to watch, but Castro could end up being just fine at SS defensively.

Yeah, it's growing pains for sure. He gets to a lot of balls and makes good plays on them, but it is rather infuriating to watch him throw the ball away on a routine groundout.

 

[MRubio52]

Fielding percentage isn't the best evaluator. Plus Jeter has always been a subpar defender even if he wins Gold Gloves. The difference is that Jeter was a great offensive player and Starlin at this point is merely a very good one.

Castro has range, a good arm, and athleticism. What he lacks seems to be concentration. He probably does need more work, but if he doesn't figure it out in a couple seasons I think they have to consider moving him, depending on how his offense comes along.

agreed, it totally isn't. It was done as a response to the error counter. Just trying to show that guys like Jeter were making errors at a higher rate in the minors than Castro is at the Major League level, whatever that's worth.

 

[dabynsky]

Fielding percentage isn't the best evaluator. Plus Jeter has always been a subpar defender even if he wins Gold Gloves. The difference is that Jeter was a great offensive player and Starlin at this point is merely a very good one.

Castro has range, a good arm, and athleticism. What he lacks seems to be concentration. He probably does need more work, but if he doesn't figure it out in a couple seasons I think they have to consider moving him, depending on how his offense comes along.

Yeah that really is the thing with Castro is that his bat developed quicker than his glove. He has all the tools to be a good defender at SS. It is just a matter of whether he can put it together. I hope so because I am tired of watching noodle arm SS.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

agreed, it totally isn't. It was done as a response to the error counter. Just trying to show that guys like Jeter were making errors at a higher rate in the minors than Castro is at the Major League level, whatever that's worth.

exactly..the point of bringing up field % here is not to draw a direct correlation to defense but to illustrate the amount of errors certain players committed(and error %) when they were castro's age

 

[brett05]

You can't compare minor league to major league in any way. The fields are so much better in the majors

 

[Rice Cube]

You can't compare minor league to major league in any way. The fields are so much better in the majors

?

Nobody was comparing minor league anything. We were talking only about Castro's MLB stats.

 

[Rice Cube]

exactly..the point of bringing up field % here is not to draw a direct correlation to defense but to illustrate the amount of errors certain players committed(and error %) when they were castro's age

I think at his age and with this team being as horrible as it is, errors are fine and forgivable as long as it looks like he is improving over the course of the season. The fact that he makes so many is not just indicative of immaturity but also a testament to his range for getting to as many balls as he does.

 

[Kaz7]

He'll be fine, he's still very young. Besides, the number of errors is not really a good indicator of how good a player is defensively. Don't get me wrong, he still makes errors on routine plays, but he also gets to a hell of a lot more balls than other shortstops do. If you want good insight on defense in baseball I suggest reading "the Fielding Bible" series by John Dewan. Really, really good read for baseball fans.


Fielding Bible

 

[Rice Cube]

Dewan is pretty awesome

 

[Rice Cube]

Here's a cool interview with Dewan from a couple years ago:

Baseball Prospectus | Prospectus Q&A: John Dewan

 

[brett05]

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Nobody was comparing minor league anything. We were talking only about Castro's MLB stats.

See a few posts above with Jeter

 

[Rice Cube]

See a few posts above with Jeter

Ah. It might work though. MLB players will hit the ball harder and thus defense is more difficult at that level compared to MiLB. So it's not a terrible comparison even if you are essentially comparing apples to oranges.