Starlin Castro

[EnjoyYourTiger]

but to say he will have a .400 OBP after evaluating a player that hasnt played a full season, and has only played 5 games this year...how can you really say with such confidence he will have a career .400 OBP? I am not saying he wont be good or great, but dont you think it is premature?

So, if I said like .370, would you get off my nuts then?

 

[Captain Obvious]

Why are you focused in only on a .400 OBP. Dunn and Thome have close to .400 OBP and I could name plenty of players I would rather have on their team. OBP isn't the end all.

Look at everything else, offensively speaking, that he brings to the table. He has the potential to be something special offensively.

The problem is that a lot of them are based off of where he hits in the line-up and things that aren't in his control. Runs are a by-product of where you hit in the line up. SBs are just a stupid stat. RBIs again are a by-product of where you hit in the line up. Average is again pretty stupid. It's baseball not hit ball.

 

[Gunzaan]

:clap: All of those stats literally mean nothing.

They mean just as much as OBP. Just because you have an ego, doesn't make you right, Mr. Obvious.

 

[Shawon0Meter]

but to say he will have a .400 OBP after evaluating a player that hasnt played a full season, and has only played 5 games this year...how can you really say with such confidence he will have a career .400 OBP? I am not saying he wont be good or great, but dont you think it is premature?

Yeah I don't necessarily agree with that. Only a few players do that year in year out...Pujols, Mauer, maybe Prince Fielder and A-Rod....400 OBP is a big goal.

I do have a lot of faith in Castro though.

 

[Gunzaan]

The problem is that a lot of them are based off of where he hits in the line-up and things that aren't in his control. Runs are a by-product of where you hit in the line up. SBs are just a stupid stat. RBIs again are a by-product of where you hit in the line up. Average is again pretty stupid. It's baseball not hit ball.

So then Dunn and Thome must be some of the best hitters in the game/of their generation? .400 OBP is the best measure of a hitter? I think not.

And he doesn't control where he hits in the lineup. If he hit 3rd all season, his stats would obviously be different.

I have no idea how SBs are a stupid stat. If you can establish a reputation of running, you put a LOT of pressure on pitchers. You completely affect the next at bat for your #3 hitter. Hardly useless.

Average is pretty stupid? Rofl.

You are talking out of your ass.

 

[Captain Obvious]

So, if I said like .370, would you get off my nuts then?

7 SS all-time with over 1,000 PAs have had a .370 OBP or better while walking under 10%. The lowest BA there is .304. That was in the 20's. Since WW2, only two guys have done it. Jeter and HanRam. One has hit .313 and the other .314. So are we really saying that Castro will be as good as HanRam and Jeter? I highly doubt it.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

7 SS all-time with over 1,000 PAs have had a .370 OBP or better while walking under 10%. The lowest BA there is .304. That was in the 20's. Since WW2, only two guys have done it. Jeter and HanRam. One has hit .313 and the other .314. So are we really saying that Castro will be as good as HanRam and Jeter? I highly doubt it.

Thanks Wikipedia.

You go ahead and doubt.

And I'll be optimistic that a Cubs prospect is actually going to pan out for the best, despite the fact that there's no reason what so ever for him to be doubted. The kid batted over .300 last year as 20 year old rookie. You can't say that about too many guys.

Sure, he could slump, not pan out, whatever. But then again, he could do everything that I think he can and is probably going to do.

 

[Captain Obvious]

They mean just as much as OBP. Just because you have an ego, doesn't make you right, Mr. Obvious.

They really don't. OBP means the most important thing. Not making an out. Since a team only gets 27 outs per game, making outs at a high rate isn’t a good thing – that is, if you want to win. Players with high on-base percentages avoid making outs and reach base at a high rate, prolonging games and giving their team more opportunities to score.

So then Dunn and Thome must be some of the best hitters in the game/of their generation? .400 OBP is the best measure of a hitter? I think not.

And he doesn't control where he hits in the lineup. If he hit 3rd all season, his stats would obviously be different.

I have no idea how SBs are a stupid stat. If you can establish a reputation of running, you put a LOT of pressure on pitchers. You completely affect the next at bat for your #3 hitter. Hardly useless.

Average is pretty stupid? Rofl.

You are talking out of your ass.

Not exactly. Thome and Dunn play high offensive positions. Therefore it isn't as rare. No, OBP isn't the best measure. But it's better than everything you're using.

SBs are stupid. You have to be successful at least 75% to not hurt your team. Anything worse hurts the team. They hurt the team more than they help the team.

Average is stupid. Baseball is about getting on base and scoring runs. Average doesn't take into account walks. That's a pretty big part of the game. A walk is just as good as a hit.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Thanks Wikipedia.

You go ahead and doubt.

And I'll be optimistic that a Cubs prospect is actually going to pan out for the best, despite the fact that there's no reason what so ever for him to be doubted. The kid batted over .300 last year as 20 year old rookie. You can't say that about too many guys.

Sure, he could slump, not pan out, whatever. But then again, he could do everything that I think he can and is probably going to do.

No, that's actual baseball research, bud.

You're being overly optimistic and not thinking.

He is probably going to do that? Really? Bet you can't back that up with ANYTHING.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

No, that's actual baseball research, bud.

You're being overly optimistic and not thinking.

He is probably going to do that? Really? Bet you can't back that up with ANYTHING.

And you can't back your argument with anything either. GG scrub.

 

[Captain Obvious]

And you can't back your argument with anything either. GG scrub.

7 SS all-time with over 1,000 PAs have had a .370 OBP or better while walking under 10%. The lowest BA there is .304. That was in the 20's. Since WW2, only two guys have done it. Jeter and HanRam. One has hit .313 and the other .314. So are we really saying that Castro will be as good as HanRam and Jeter? I highly doubt it.

He simply doesn't walk enough. Plain and simple.

 

[bleacherbum54]

The kid is amazing, so he deserves his own thread.

What do you all view as his ceiling?

I don't think he even has a set ceiling, but where would you place it?

Derek Jeter with a little more pop is his ceiling in my view. Thats if everything goes perfect.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

He simply doesn't walk enough. Plain and simple.

Wait, wait. So you're saying if he walks less than 10% of the time and bats a minimum of .304, he can have an OBP% that is at .370?

Good thing he bat .307 last year. And assuming he doesn't have a sophomore slump, he'll probably bat about the same this year.

So wait... according to these calculations, Castro could perhaps be good!?

 

[Captain Obvious]

Wait, wait. So you're saying if he walks less than 10% of the time and bats a minimum of .304, he can have an OBP% that is at .370?

Good thing he bat .307 last year. And assuming he doesn't have a sophomore slump, he'll probably bat about the same this year.

So wait... according to these calculations, Castro could perhaps be good!?

No, he needs to bat at least like .310 and walk about 10% to get 370. He has not shown that he can walk 10% of the time though. Even in the minors.

He had a .300 BA last year. I'm not saying he won't be good. I'm saying he won't be as good as you think he will be. Assuming he doesn't have a sophomore slump is a pretty big assumption.

 

[X]

Who gives a shit? I want to win. I don't give a damn if Castro has an OBP of .360 and Garza has 4 wins and Soto has 93 errors on the year. Charlie Sheen got this one right, boys. Screw stats...what's most important? Winning.


But, please, feel free to ***** back and forth over whether or not Starlin Castro will have an OBP of .370. I just want to have a better record than everyone in my division at the end of september.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

Who gives a shit? I want to win. I don't give a damn if Castro has an OBP of .360 and Garza has 4 wins and Soto has 93 errors on the year. Charlie Sheen got this one right, boys. Screw stats...what's most important? Winning.


But, please, feel free to ***** back and forth over whether or not Starlin Castro will have an OBP of .370. I just want to have a better record than everyone in my division at the end of september.

Way to be a major buzz kill.

 

[DewsSox79]

The whole problem with OBP being everything and BA being nothing is the following:

Say you load up a team of OBP machines, but low BAs, and when I mean load up, your whole lineup. So if you whole lineup is batting 240 with an OBP of 365-380 than that team is going to have to either A) hit homeruns to score B) Walk in or get HBP to score runs. So to say BA is useless is just plain dumb.

You need a balance of both. not just players with 230 BA with high OBP. It is a combination of statistics, and a combo of role players.

SB are only dumb if the CS% is high and the manager is running the wrong guys, and or running guys at the wrong times.

 

[Jntg4]

So... Carlos Silva is good, but Starlin Castro sucks? :thinking:

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

So... Carlos Silva is good, but Starlin Castro sucks? :thinking:

Silva's only good because we're paying him lots of money to do nothing. If Castro payed the Cubs to play, by CO's logic, he'd be good.

 

[House of Carlos]

When Hanley Ramirez was Starlin Castro's age he was hitting .271 with a .335 OBP with a .720 OPS.....In Portland Double AA.....So yes I think Starlin Castro has a high fucking ceiling.