State Department Rejects Construction of Keystone Oil Pipeline

[IceHogsFan]

So, it looks like the Obama administration is continuing their blockade of the pipeline being built even after proposals to reroute it for ecological concerns.



More news to come..........

 

[MassHavoc]

I have heard about this a bit, saw some commercials but don't really know too much. They want to bring an oil pipeline down from canada that would give lot's of oil and jobs, but there are ecological studies that need to be done first to measure the impact or something like that? Is this the gist? I got the feeling that it isn't that they don't want it done, they just need more time to make sure of the ecological impact?

 

[Tater]

I have heard about this a bit, saw some commercials but don't really know too much. They want to bring an oil pipeline down from canada that would give lot's of oil and jobs, but there are ecological studies that need to be done first to measure the impact or something like that? Is this the gist? I got the feeling that it isn't that they don't want it done, they just need more time to make sure of the ecological impact?

The greenies absolutely don't want it done. Canada doesn't care, they'll just sell that oil to China.

 

[MassHavoc]

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The greenies absolutely don't want it done. Canada doesn't care, they'll just sell that oil to China.

Oh I can imagine the eco guys don't want it done under any circumstance, I meant the governement guys here.

 

[BigPete]

Oh I can imagine the eco guys don't want it done under any circumstance, I meant the governement guys here.

http://www.foe.org/p...one-xl-pipeline



Here are some of the objections from the 'eco guys'. Can't say I disagree, but then I'm one of the people that whole heartedly believe in Human-Induced Climate Change.



"Tar sands oil is one of the dirtiest fuels on the Earth. Investing in tar sands oil now will delay investments in clean and safe alternatives to oil, such as better fuel economy requirements, plug-in electric cars fueled by solar power, and smart growth and public transportation infrastructure that give Americans choices other than cars."

 

[winos5]

http://www.foe.org/p...one-xl-pipeline



Here are some of the objections from the 'eco guys'. Can't say I disagree, but then I'm one of the people that whole heartedly believe in Human-Induced Climate Change.



"Tar sands oil is one of the dirtiest fuels on the Earth. Investing in tar sands oil now will delay investments in clean and safe alternatives to oil, such as better fuel economy requirements, plug-in electric cars fueled by solar power, and smart growth and public transportation infrastructure that give Americans choices other than cars."

That is fucking hilarious. Last I checked the government subsidised ventures into electric cars and solar power were abject failures. And as far as safety is concerned I guess if you don't mind yourelectric car burning down your home they are just fine.

 

[Tater]

http://www.foe.org/p...one-xl-pipeline



Here are some of the objections from the 'eco guys'. Can't say I disagree, but then I'm one of the people that whole heartedly believe in Human-Induced Climate Change.



"Tar sands oil is one of the dirtiest fuels on the Earth. Investing in tar sands oil now will delay investments in clean and safe alternatives to oil, such as better fuel economy requirements, plug-in electric cars fueled by solar power, and smart growth and public transportation infrastructure that give Americans choices other than cars."

How will this delay investments?



I wouldn't mind seeing the next Solyndra put on hold if true.

 

[supraman]

[font=georgia,]Algae are attracting attention because the strains can potentially produce 10 or more times more fuel per acre than the corn used to make ethanol or the soybeans used to make[/font]biodiesel[font=georgia,]. Moreover, algae might be grown on arid land and brackish water, so that fuel production would not compete with food production. And algae are voracious consumers of carbon dioxide, potentially helping to keep some of this greenhouse gas from contributing to [/font]global warming[font=georgia,].[/font]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/business/energy-environment/26algae.html?pagewanted=all





Why are we not throwing money at this? why are we blowing it on a food?

 

[supraman]

How will this delay investments?



I wouldn't mind seeing the next Solyndra put on hold if true.

Shut up Tater, I'm trying to start up Soulindrah and get government money.

 

[MassHavoc]

Can't we just create the pipeline out of solar panels?

 

[IceHogsFan]

I believe in green energy and am hopeful that cost effective alternatives become available and we should continue research. They are not anywhere near having it cost effective yet and many issues with the government backed areas. Just look at the recent recall on the smart car, thinking it was the Chevy Volt.



On the other hand, why the hell is this being blocked by our federal government? I really see it as appeasing a political faction because the EPA concerns have been addressed from what I have read, it is estimated to create 20,000 jobs, the unions are for it and we would have less dependence on foreign oil. If we don't do it I have read that they will have the pipeline run to the Canadian west coast where it will be deported to other foreign lands of which I have heard China mentioned numerous times.



Answers need to be demanded by our federal government as to why this is being delayed. All the talk of jobs ........... yeah, right.

 

[MassHavoc]

I believe in green energy and am hopeful that cost effective alternatives become available and we should continue research. They are not anywhere near having it cost effective yet and many issues with the government backed areas. Just look at the recent recall on the smart car, thinking it was the Chevy Volt.



On the other hand, why the hell is this being blocked by our federal government? I really see it as appeasing a political faction because the EPA concerns have been addressed from what I have read, it is estimated to create 20,000 jobs, the unions are for it and we have less dependence on foreign oil. If we don't do it I have read that they will have the pipeline run to the Canadian west coast where it will be deported to other forein lands of which I have heard China mentioned numerous times.



Answers need to be demanded by our federal government as to why this is being delayed. All the talk of jobs ........... yeah, right.

Umm. I'm sorry what? Canada isn't eactly domestic, and B.) It's already the number one importer of oil in the US.

 

[IceHogsFan]

Umm. I'm sorry what?

"we would have less dependence on foreign oil"

 

[MassHavoc]

Read again, I added.

 

[IceHogsFan]

Read again, I added.

Don't we own Canada?

 

[BigPete]

http://www.nytimes.c...?pagewanted=all





Why are we not throwing money at this? why are we blowing it on a food?

Sounds great. If we ever colonize the moon or Mars the thought is too toss some water and algea out to start up the eco system. I have no knowledge on hand of the science behind it, but it sounds wonderful. Create biofuels while reducing carbon pollutants in the air. Sign me up.



I am not so quick however to sign up for another fossil fuel that emits harmful pollutants and is transported in a 'lowest bidder' pipeline.

 

[BigPete]

Don't we own Canada?

No, just their number one export: ice hockey.

 

[MassHavoc]

Don't we own Canada?

I keep saying we need our Boy Scouts to invade.

 

[MassHavoc]

Sounds great. If we ever colonize the moon or Mars the thought is too toss some water and algea out to start up the eco system. I have no knowledge on hand of the science behind it, but it sounds wonderful. Create biofuels while reducing carbon pollutants in the air. Sign me up.



I am not so quick however to sign up for another fossil fuel that emits harmful pollutants and is transported in a 'lowest bidder' pipeline.

I'm not sure where you are going with this as one has nothign to do with the other. Anyway, Algae is a great way to produce biofuels but there are several reason it hasn't taken off yet. There are several local companies that are working on this actually. Mostly it's expensive.

 

[BigPete]

I'm not sure where you are going with this as one has nothign to do with the other. Anyway, Algae is a great way to produce biofuels but there are several reason it hasn't taken off yet. There are several local companies that are working on this actually. Mostly it's expensive.

There was no alterial motive. I have heard that if we try to colonize a dead planet or celestial body that they will try this. That's all. There was no pun intended.