Steve Smith film study on Luther Burden lll

[Chicago Staleys]

Only Bears fans would cry about their team being in position to go BPA and getting a 1st round talent in the 2nd round.

Mike Green was the BPA

 

[msadows]

Mike Green was the BPA

31 other nfl teams didnt think so

 

[Washington]

They likely wont be.

Ben Johnson already said this isnt going to be modeled after the detroit offense.

Jared Goff is a QB who is best in play action, caleb can do a lot more with his arm than goofy. Wont shock me if they run it a lot less than detoilet

As long as CW doesn't have to throw it more than 10 yards downfield. I know you have this bias against Goff, but he is a far better thrower than CW at this point in time. That needs to change if the Bears will be competitive. Everything rests on CW's shoulders right now.

 

[Washington]

Mike Green was the BPA

Yes he was and big time kudos to Baltimore for getting him. He is going to be a star. The Bears needed an edge rusher far more than they needed WR3.

 

[msadows]

As long as CW doesn't have to throw it more than 10 yards downfield. I know you have this bias against Goff, but he is a far better thrower than CW at this point in time. That needs to change if the Bears will be competitive. Everything rests on CW's shoulders right now.

I dont have a bias against goff and defend him a lot on this board.

Caleb has much much much more physical arm/athletic talent than goff does.

I'm not judging caleb on a rookie season, goff looked like a giant bust as a rookie then came out looking great year 2

 

[Enasic]

Yes he was and big time kudos to Baltimore for getting him. He is going to be a star. The Bears needed an edge rusher far more than they needed WR3.

Guaranteed he wasn’t even on their board. They don’t take chances with character and having 2 different sexual assault allegations in two different places is a huge red flag. Don’t think he was an option. He’s going to be really good though. Especially in Baltimore

 

[dabears70]

I don't see Burden as anything like St Brown.

Been saying since we got Ben Johnson that DJ Moore is our Aman Ra.

 

[dabears70]

Well the good thing is he will have to bust his ass for playing time on this team and the Bears have a great position coach for him too.

Well that could be a good thing or bad thing, that depends on how much this kid wants to be successful in the NFL because if his issue is he isn't trying hard enough on the field when he isn't getting the ball then will that affect him if he isn't getting the playing time or the attention he wants from the Bears. TBC with this kid. Kid could be an absolute beast if he buys into everything Ben Johnson is doing in Chicago.

 

[msadows]

Well that could be a good thing or bad thing, that depends on how much this kid wants to be successful in the NFL because if his issue is he isn't trying hard enough on the field when he isn't getting the ball then will that affect him if he isn't getting the playing time or the attention he wants for the Bears. TBC with this kid. Kid could be an absolute beast if he buys into everything Ben Johnson is doing in Chicago.

This is a pick that likely would fail with previous regimes, but with ben johnson/randel el I feel like burden will be a star.

 

[dabears70]

This is a pick that likely would fail with previous regimes, but with ben johnson/randel el I feel like burden will be a star.

Yeah agree 100% that with any of the previous staffs we've had in the last decade or more he would fail, now we really get to see what this staff, which we added some pretty big names to like Randle El and E.Bienemmy among others, can do with players with any kind of character issue whether big or small. Both the guys i mentioned are known to coach hard but maybe somewhat different where the players seem to take the hard coaching from Randle El more than some have from Bienemmy.

 

[Bears4Ever_34]

Been saying since we got Ben Johnson that DJ Moore is our Aman Ra.

What's funny is that Daniel Jeremiah compared Burden to DJ Moore in his draft analysis; we're comparing DJ Moore to Amon Ra, and Burden's draft profile on NFL.com makes mention of similarities between him an Amon Ra.

The common thread in all of these comparisons is the YAC. Amon Ra and DJ Moore are both excellent at it. So is Burden. They're also similar size receivers at 6'0 ~200 lbs.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

 

[dennehy]

I don't think Moore is like St brown either. I think Burden and Moore are pretty similar, both YAC guys, neither great route runner, but great mix of power and speed, although I thought Moore was a better prospect.

 

[Washington]

Guaranteed he wasn’t even on their board. They don’t take chances with character and having 2 different sexual assault allegations in two different places is a huge red flag. Don’t think he was an option. He’s going to be really good though. Especially in Baltimore

I concur that many teams pulled him from their boards due to the allegations. I understand that concept and fully respect it. I am really hoping Baltimore researched the situation well and found nothing. I would not want him on my team if the allegations are even remotely true.

 

[gallagher]

I think there is an item to be considered - Burden will never face a double team on this offense when fully healthy. He won't face the top DBs in coverage, he won't be depended on to be the wheels of the offense, and his role will be catered to his skill set.

He is quick as a cat and breaks lazy tackles. He runs to soft spots in zone and is tough to keep a lid on in man. Even if you have to manufacture a touch for him, he's the threat to take the ball and flip the field with YAC. Regardless of his pro comp, he is our big play threat, which is something this team didn't have.

Dang, this team is flush with offensive firepower. What a feeling.

 

[dabears70]

What's funny is that Daniel Jeremiah compared Burden to DJ Moore in his draft analysis; we're comparing DJ Moore to Amon Ra, and Burden's draft profile on NFL.com makes mention of similarities between him an Amon Ra.

The common thread in all of these comparisons is the YAC. Amon Ra and DJ Moore are both excellent at it. So is Burden. They're also similar size receivers at 6'0 ~200 lbs.

All three are great after the catch.

 

[satchice]

I'm surprised to see Smith as critical as he was since most other videos he has high praise for the player. Don't get me wrong, he still showed some love, but he also pointed out all the criticisms I've seen from watching Luther play in the SEC, but not brought up much.

Luther got a lot of praise just for being a 5 star WR at Missouri, but he was obviously a different player with the ball in his hands vs not in his hands. Not the best route runner and you won't find many receptions down the field where he created a lot of separation. He needed the ball fed to him around the LOS and he was elusive enough to make plays against medium to lower competition. As Smith alluded to, it seemed like he was force fed the ball. And he was. Mizzou's head coach did everything he could to make Luther happy so he wouldn't transfer away after a year or two. So he made sure to scheme open plays in space for Luther and to give him some easy layup TDs when near the redzone.

I hope the best for the kid and would be glad to eat crow, but I never really cared for him in college. He was a decent player, but I always thought he was overrated. And now after listening to his 1st interview, I could envision him getting upset at a lack of opportunities in our offense. Ok, rant over.

I've seen other people say the same thing, but I just dont get it. Could you please elaborate on this "he made sure to scheme open plays in space for Luther and to give him some easy layup TDs when near the redzone." Is this supposed to be a bad thing or .. ? If you can scheme a "layup TD" for a player then obviously you do it 100% of the time, but is that really possible or is the player's skillset factor into it?

 

[satchice]

They just aren't much alike. St Brown is a great route runner, savvy, very smart, fearless over the middle, elite hands. Burden is a YAC monster, very athletic, meh route runner, doesn't seem to separate as well as his athleticism indicates he should.

Burden is talented, but there are several things about him that make me apprehensive. The biggest is that I don't trust his mental toughness.

Mental toughness?? LOL where are you getting this? Is this a complete joke or do you just try making up shit? Also, he gets plenty of separation, what tape have you watched that would indicate otherwise?

 

[dennehy]

Mental toughness?? LOL where are you getting this? Is this a complete joke or do you just try making up shit? Also, he gets plenty of separation, what tape have you watched that would indicate otherwise?

LOL you seem a little triggered. It's from watching him and reading about him. He doesn't get a ton of separation, runs 80% of his routes under 10 yards and 80% out of the slot against players he is much more talented than. He's pretty much pure YAC right now.

That said, he's very talented and can easily get better.

There is a video posted a couple pages ago, it gives a good breakdown of some of the warning signs on Burden.

 

[vabearsfan15]

I've seen other people say the same thing, but I just dont get it. Could you please elaborate on this "he made sure to scheme open plays in space for Luther and to give him some easy layup TDs when near the redzone." Is this supposed to be a bad thing or .. ? If you can scheme a "layup TD" for a player then obviously you do it 100% of the time, but is that really possible or is the player's skillset factor into it?

Mizzou has a decent offensive playcaller in Eli Drinkwitz and he likes to incorporate alot of movement around the mesh point. It's effective in that it causes a lot of confusion in the backfield, but not a ton of downfield throws. There are a lot of end arounds that were really rushing plays, but counted statsitically as passing plays becuase of a small forward pitch. Also a lot of screens or flat routes in the backfield.

Note that College Football has a little bit different of a rule where the Offensive Linemen are allowed to go 3 yards down the field vs only 1 yard in the NFL before a pass is thrown. As a result, there are a lot more more OL incorporated in blocking schemes which leads to an advantage for the offense.

The reason I bring it up is becuase many of Luther's "receiving" yards were actually rushing plays or screen plays. That or plays where he was open becuase of the play design, not anything Luther did on his own. There is not doubt he is skilled with the ball in his hands, but he likely won't be able to produce in the same way in the NFL. You have to be able to create seperation before the ball gets to you. Maybe he refines himself more in the regard and can learn from the techniques DJ Moore uses to get open. But he is very raw in that regard right now.