Steve Smith film study on Luther Burden lll

[Calabis]

The one position the Bears didn’t need, Poles uses his 2nd best draft pick on

Ben Johnson wanted that pic, if he says St Brown, then u get him...chain mover

 

[msadows]

Ben Johnson wanted that pic, if he says St Brown, then u get him...chain mover

Yea like...thats clearly a pick both BJ and Randel El really really wanted

 

[satchice]

LOL you seem a little triggered. It's from watching him and reading about him. He doesn't get a ton of separation, runs 80% of his routes under 10 yards and 80% out of the slot against players he is much more talented than. He's pretty much pure YAC right now.

That said, he's very talented and can easily get better.

There is a video posted a couple pages ago, it gives a good breakdown of some of the warning signs on Burden.

Okay I get it, that he is a twitchy WR that never had to run crisp routes, I think that is a skill that can be taught to him. My main question is about your biggest concern, his mental toughness. What is your concern with him mentally, and how did you identify that specifically?

 

[dennehy]

Okay I get it, that he is a twitchy WR that never had to run crisp routes, I think that is a skill that can be taught to him. My main question is about your biggest concern, his mental toughness. What is your concern with him mentally, and how did you identify that specifically?

Like I said, if you watch him he gets a little sulky. Doesn't always run hard routes when he's not the primary. Called a diva in several places, reports that the coach had to work hard to get him involved this year. Didn't really get better at route running over his career.

I've been following him a little since high school, one of the most talented players to come out of Illinois over the last decade. Some of it could be the coaching and system but I didn't see much maturation in his game at Missou. Hopefully I'm wrong.

 

[Moses Moreno]

Like I said, if you watch him he gets a little sulky. Doesn't always run hard routes when he's not the primary. Called a diva in several places, reports that the coach had to work hard to get him involved this year. Didn't really get better at route running over his career.

I've been following him a little since high school, one of the most talented players to come out of Illinois over the last decade. Some of it could be the coaching and system but I didn't see much maturation in his game at Missou. Hopefully I'm wrong.

How do you feel about Caleb/Johnson having 5 mouths to feed (along with Swift)?

 

[dennehy]

How do you feel about Caleb/Johnson having 5 mouths to feed (along with Swift)?

We'll see. Seemed to be a problem last year with only 4. These guys are all talented, but that's alot of targets required. And I hope/want them to focus on running the ball more.

 

[Moses Moreno]

We'll see. Seemed to be a problem last year with only 4. These guys are all talented, but that's alot of targets required. And I hope/want them to focus on running the ball more.

This dude and DJ are clearly the biggest red flags but while Kmet and Rome clearly have good attitudes they absolutely should have expectations of getting a certain number of targets and it's just a recipe for disaster.

If you look at how the Jets have constructed their roster vs what the Bears have - I think the Jets are far more poised to replicate the Lions success than the Bears. The Lions have an elite OL and an attitude of selflessness that is hard to duplicate and you're probably not going to do it through over investment in high ego positions.

 

[dennehy]

This dude and DJ are clearly the biggest red flags but while Kmet and Rome clearly have good attitudes they absolutely should have expectations of getting a certain number of targets and it's just a recipe for disaster.

If you look at how the Jets have constructed their roster vs what the Bears have - I think the Jets are far more poised to replicate the Lions success than the Bears. The Lions have an elite OL and an attitude of selflessness that is hard to duplicate and you're probably not going to do it through over investment in high ego positions.

To me, you want three primary pass catchers, plus liberal use of RBs in pass game. You gotta have a few grinders who are happy blocking and getting 2-3 targets a game.

I always would invest in line over skill players too, all things being equal. My biggest issue with this draft is they really haven't improved their pass rush, and imo that is their biggest hole and extremely important. People are trusting Allen to improve them, and I hope that is the case but it's rare if you don't have the talent. He always had a stud in NO with Jordan.

 

[destiny begins]

I'm pretty excited. Huge boom potential especially where he'll be playing (slot WR3). Still only 21 so I expect a lot of deficiencies to be coached out properly, and it helps that an older better version of him is already here in DJ Moore.

He's automatically a huge mismatch potential with his speed and hands, and I don't think his routes will be too complicated with Moore, Rome, and Loveland taking a lot of attention away and opening up the field for him to do what he needs to do. Though on that he better get used to being the 4th/5th option and being a blocker more often than not.

Maybe in a couple years he can be a DJ Moore clone and cheaper replacement. That's probably his true worth to the franchise if everything pans out.

 

[Da Coach]

Mike Green was the BPA

Mike Green has more red flags than a Maga rally

 

[Chicago Staleys]

Mike Green has more red flags than a Maga rally

So what? Baltimore didn’t have a problem. That’s a franchise the Bears should be trying to mirror

 

[TL1961]

I think you can see it a bit if you watch enough. He gets frustrated easily.

They now have 5 high priced/high drafted pass catchers. Hopefully they can keep everyone happy without having to throw 40+ times per game. Burden imo isn't really a slot right now. He's a guy you have to scheme the ball to.

Has there been a Bears coach or GM that you haven't trusted at the outset?

I think it is a concern. But to be honest, WRs are such divas these days I always worry about their mental makeup. But I do think it's a concern with Burden, but hopefully not a major one.

 

[TL1961]

This dude and DJ are clearly the biggest red flags but while Kmet and Rome clearly have good attitudes they absolutely should have expectations of getting a certain number of targets and it's just a recipe for disaster.

If you look at how the Jets have constructed their roster vs what the Bears have - I think the Jets are far more poised to replicate the Lions success than the Bears. The Lions have an elite OL and an attitude of selflessness that is hard to duplicate and you're probably not going to do it through over investment in high ego positions.

Too many weapons?
Each won't get enough targets?

In other words, competition?

How that is a bad thing, I do not know.

Didn't get the ball as much as you'd like? Work harder!

 

[TL1961]

So what? Baltimore didn’t have a problem. That’s a franchise the Bears should be trying to mirror

Yeah, maybe we should target middle linebackers who have committed murder, too.

I would be happy to see the Bears emulate Baltimore and KC in terms of football success, but closing their eyes to horrible people just because they're talented? I am not going to cry that my team isn't doing that.

I think there's enough talent among non-wife beaters and murderers and rapists to still stack a roster.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I think Deebo was more polished and stronger with the ball, better contact balance. But they are certainly similar.

I am a bit worried they aren't going to be able to keep everyone involved enough, especially as they should be running the ball 30+ times per game.

They sure don’t seem built that way

 

[TL1961]

To me, you want three primary pass catchers, plus liberal use of RBs in pass game. You gotta have a few grinders who are happy blocking and getting 2-3 targets a game.

I always would invest in line over skill players too, all things being equal. My biggest issue with this draft is they really haven't improved their pass rush, and imo that is their biggest hole and extremely important. People are trusting Allen to improve them, and I hope that is the case but it's rare if you don't have the talent. He always had a stud in NO with Jordan.

I am hoping to see a much improved pass rush also and would like to have drafted a DE worth the draft slot.

But since last year, the Bears have added - for better or worse - Grady Jarrett, Odeyingbo, Stewart and they get Billings back. Things were night and day different with and without Billings. Maybe Booker develops, who knows? They didn't lose anyone we're sorry to see go.

 

[TL1961]

They sure don’t seem built that way

With the offensive players they now have, I won't be hoping to see them run it 30 times a game unless 10 are on a clock killing drive in the 4th.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

Yeah, maybe we should target middle linebackers who have committed murder, too.

I would be happy to see the Bears emulate Baltimore and KC in terms of football success, but closing their eyes to horrible people just because they're talented? I am not going to cry that my team isn't doing that.

I think there's enough talent among non-wife beaters and murderers and rapists to still stack a roster.

The Bears are not innocent. They have their share of undesirables. Regardless, Mike Green has never been charged by the Police and he denies any wrong doing. He was investigated by both schools and the NCAA, finding no wrong doing. Baltimore throughly investigated on their own, finding no wrong doing.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

https://x.com/ImBearingDown/status/1915918705076195333

2023

 

[Moses Moreno]

Too many weapons?
Each won't get enough targets?

In other words, competition?

How that is a bad thing, I do not know.

Didn't get the ball as much as you'd like? Work harder!

It's very much a thing that both the QB and head coach will have to manage.