Stop worrying about salary cap space

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A Kicker who consistently kicks 50 yard field goals wins games for you. Certainly worth the 6th highest Kicker salary in the league. And I know nobody is disagreeing with that.
 

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Reports are coming in that the cap will be between 122.5 - 123 million, a little more than projected.
 

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Jason LaCanfora - The 2013 salary cap could end up being higher than expected. Franchise tag updates, and more, here @CBSSports : cbssports.com/nfl/blog/jason…
4:17pm - 25 Feb 13

Mike McCartney - So if Salary Cap projections of $122.5M to $123M are true, then this will effectively be the 4th straight year it's less than 2009.
4:41pm - 25 Feb 13
 

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You think there are coaches out there who dispute the value of an elite kicker?

I think there are coaches out there who may not see the value in paying a kicker 2.9 million no matter how good he is. When I used the term value I meant in terms of what they would be willing to pay.

A Kicker who consistently kicks 50 yard field goals wins games for you. Certainly worth the 6th highest Kicker salary in the league. And I know nobody is disagreeing with that.

Gould made 2 FGs greater than 50+ yards this year. 19 Kickers made just as many or more. His FG% was 77.8%. 21 Kickers had the same or higher percentage. Of course, he kicks in Chicago which is a tougher environment and the injury hurt his numbers but I don't think it is unreasonable to think that a new coaching staff coming in would ask themselves do I really need to pay him 2.9 million or can I get a guy making a million that gives me around the same production? That doesn't mean they will do it but it is something they would likely think about.
 

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Gould's percentage was 84 you lying piece of filth. Apologize.
 

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Gould's percentage was 84 you lying piece of filth. Apologize.

I quoted his number from 40-49 yards by mistake. So yes you are correct, overall it was 84% which 21 kickers actually had the same percentage or better ie the exact same number of kickers as I noted. I don't care about the percentage so much as the point was that 21 kickers were just as accurate albeit under different conditions.
 

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^^^^^^^^ This guy reminds me of a little kid with his hands over ears, screaming nanananana I'm not listening.

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What am I "not listening" to?

I've told remydat 4 times that my quote was not in response to anything he said...a fact that could be ascertained immediately by looking at my posting, and seeing that I quoted Bear Pride and not remydat. I don't really care what remydat's "interpretation" of Bear Pride's posting is...thats irrelevent to my posting (and also irrelevent in a general sense).

Please review post 67 in which you responded to me while I was in the middle of a discussion with Bear Pride among others and then post 68 which was a response to Bear Pride again while he was in the middle of a discussion with me as the post you quote in 68 was a direct response to one of my posts.

So you butt in when no one was talking to you which I don't care because it is a message board but then when I respond suddenly it's "but I was not talking to you Remy." Well guess what, neither was Bear Pride and I. We were having a civil discussion and you jumped in responded to both of our posts none of which was addressed to you and then when I decide to respond to you, you are copping pleas. Furthermore, your response was debating something that neither Bear Pride or I suggested as certainties but rather discussed the possibility.

Here is a message board tip. When you choose to join an existing conversation in a thread and post 2 posts (67 & 68) responding to the two people involved in said conversation, don't be shocked and awed if they decide to respond to both posts.
 

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Again, my post wasn't in response to you or anything you said.

I reviewed post 67. It was in response to your claim that the Bears could cut Robbie Gould for unspecified cap purposes. My reponse was it would be stupid for the Bears to cut an established, productive player for no real reason. I responded to remydat in post 67.

I reviewed post 68. It was in response to Bear Pride's claim that the new coaching regime would be making big name cuts, with the reasons given being "putting their stamp on the team" (i.e. making the team worse for no real reason) and "not liking the player for any number of reasons". My response was that it would be short-sighted for Trestman to start getting rid of established, productive players for personal reasons. I responded to Bear Pride in post 68.

Hope that clears things up for you! Good luck in your future CCS postings!

But we were not talking to you Rory so why did you respond? You are bitching and moaning about me responding to you when you responded to two posts that were not addressed to you and did so by showing an ignorance regarding the context they were said it. When people pointed out your interpretation of our point was not correct, you ignored it.

As for the posts in question, I established in my very first post that no one was suggesting you had to cut any player. It was merely explaining the guys that could be cut to generate cap space. Gould was listed because of his cap savings and he plays a position you could get a comparable player for cheaper. Your response then was lifting a statement completely out of the context it was said and acting like I or anyone was advocating cutting Gould for no reason.

Bear Pride's statement was a direct response to one of my posts where I said a new regime may value these players differently. Hence his statement about putting a stamp on the team was in the context of our ongoing discussion in which the point was a new regime could for example look at the fact that 21 kickers had the same completion percentage as Gould and decide they don't need to spend 2.9 million on him. So your interpretation that Bear Pride was talking about getting rid of guys for PERSONAL REASONS does not follow from the conversation that was the genesis of his statement. You can only really conclude that Bear Pride was referring to getting rid of guys for PERSONAL REASONS if you didn't bother to read the preceding discussion.

So considering you had two quick posts that appeared to show an ignorance of the context the posts were made and you ignored Bear Pride trying to tell you the context, I being the person who Bear Pride was talking to and understanding that he did not mean cutting people for PERSONAL REASONS chose to alert you to your ignorance. Bear Pride's statement was made to me not you Rory. I knew exactly what he meant because I was paying attention during our conversation. You jumped in half cocked and said sh*t that made no sense given the discussion Bear Pride and I were having. I am in a better position to explain to you what Bear Pride's statement meant because I was the person he said it to. Your response of "I was not talking to you Remy," is absurd because neither of us was talking to you Rory and yet you still decided to jump in and in doing so completely misinterpreted things. If you are going to butt in to a conversation, you should at least endeavor to understand what people are talking about.
 

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The issue is you quoting my response to Bear Pride, and then attributing my response to something you had said earlier about which Bears players were overpaid, blah blah blah. My point is that my response to Bear Pride had nothing to do with what you had said previously, so to attribute my response to something you said was incorrect. Now you are arguing what my interpretation of Bear Pride's post was...so at least now you admit that my post wasn't in response to anything you said. Progress of sorts, I guess.

When Bear Pride posts that Trestman will make surprise cuts of big name players because Trestman "might not like the player for any number of reasons", to me that sounds like Trestman isn't basing the decision on football performance. It sounds like Trestman is basing the decision on personal like/dislike, as Bear Pride explicitly stated.

In sum, again, my post wasn't in response to you or anything you said.

I responded to remydat in post 67.

I responded to Bear Pride in post 68.

Hope that clears things up for you.

And Bear Pride clarified to you that was not what he meant and given our discussion, I understand that was not what he meant. The two people having the discussion were on the same page. The guy who wasn't a part of the conversation was not because he jumped in read Bear Pride's statement and without understanding the context offerred an interpretation that was incorrect.

And the reason I responded as I did is because again Bear Pride and I were having a discussion. A discussion that was centered around my OP which included 9 cuts. So again I considered his statements on cuts to be in part referencing the 9 guys I mentioned which is why when you responded to him I asked you which of the other 8 guys besides Gould do you think are irreplaceable. So again, there was a history to Bear Pride's statement.
 

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If you guys want to have a private little jerk off convo take it to PM. Don't ***** when people respond to something on a public message board you fucking fairy.
 

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If you guys want to have a private little jerk off convo take it to PM. Don't ***** when people respond to something on a public message board you fucking fairy.

I hope that was a response to Rory as I don't care that he responded. I only pointed out how silly it was for him to comment on my responding to him as if he wasn't the one that first responded to someone that wasn't talking to him. It was a pot meet kettle statement not an actual complaint about him responding.

In any event, there are any number of threads you can read if you don't like where this is going or is someone forcing you to read this one? That is also one of the benefits of a public message board.
 

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Brace yourselves for a 20 page thread that will change subjects 8-10 times

Well let's get back on topic. As I said, the Bears can do any number of moves to generate cap space. The moves I noted are ones that are not far fetched and you can pick any combination of those moves and get considerable cap space. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with one or two of them in isolation because we don't need all of the cap space it would create so you can pick the ones you prefer. So again, cap space is not an issue.

Now we can focus on that or we can pretend like someone was saying cutting Gould was a must or that Trestman will cut players for shits and giggles. Or if you think this is all just speculation and don't want to discuss it, you can view a thread to your liking.
 

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Well let's get back on topic. As I said, the Bears can do any number of moves to generate cap space. The moves I noted are ones that are not far fetched and you can pick any combination of those moves and get considerable cap space. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with one or two of them in isolation because we don't need all of the cap space it would create so you can pick the ones you prefer. So again, cap space is not an issue.

Now we can focus on that or we can pretend like someone was saying cutting Gould was a must or that Trestman will cut players for shits and giggles. Or if you think this is all just speculation and don't want to discuss it, you can view a thread to your liking.

All you did was state the obvious.

Breaking News - you can increase you cap by making cuts, restructuring deals, an/or borrowing against the future cap.

You gave us a great "no shit" moment...so when you give examples and list cutting Gould as one of your examples don't get your panties in a bunch when some calls that part of your post dumb...because it is pretty dumb. Don't list out few scenarios and then get mad when they get picked apart. once they got picked apart you reverted back to your "no shit" statement as if we are supposed to ignore the rest of the post you made because you gave an obvious statement.

If you don't want someone to pick apart your grand idea then don't give specific examples
 

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All you did was state the obvious.

Breaking News - you can increase you cap by making cuts, restructuring deals, an/or borrowing against the future cap.

You gave us a great "no shit" moment...so when you give examples and list cutting Gould as one of your examples don't get your panties in a bunch when some calls that part of your post dumb...because it is pretty dumb. Don't list out few scenarios and then get mad when they get picked apart. once they got picked apart you reverted back to your "no shit" statement as if we are supposed to ignore the rest of the post you made because you gave an obvious statement.

If you don't want someone to pick apart your grand idea then don't give specific examples

Except just about every thread has someone concerned that we can't make a move because we don't have the cap. So it is not a "no shit" moment. Further, of all the moves listed none save Peppers and Gould were that shocking or potential difficult to do. So it was not about just doing stuff willy nilly. It was about picking moves that were mostly reasonable.

Dumb is dismissing an argument by calling it dumb without actually thinking about why it was made. If you want to keep Gould, I agree with you. I said he would be the last guy I would cut on the list and was not advocating cutting him. Several posters noted they understood that was where I was coming from. However, there is nothing dumb about saying a kicker ranked 21st in terms of FG accuracy may not be valued at 2.9 million by a new staff. That is a number a new coach may value more than fans perceptions.

And finally, no one is mad. I was simply pointing out to Rory how hypocritical it is to complain about me responding to him as if he did not originally respond to someone that was not talking to him. That is kind of the point of a message board. I then pointed out to First Timer that if he doesn't like a thread then don't click on it. Again, kind of the point of a message board. In the end I am fine with whatever they do but when a poster tries to score cheap points with tactics like that I will point it out.
 

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I hope that was a response to Rory as I don't care that he responded. I only pointed out how silly it was for him to comment on my responding to him as if he wasn't the one that first responded to someone that wasn't talking to him. It was a pot meet kettle statement not an actual complaint about him responding.

In any event, there are any number of threads you can read if you don't like where this is going or is someone forcing you to read this one? That is also one of the benefits of a public message board.
No. it was for you.
 

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