TGDT: 3/26 Ducks @ Blackhawks 7:30PM CSN

[the canadian dream]

Ton the only reason i don't like the berg on that top line is because he creates zero space for Kane or Toews. Bergs speed is fantastic but that's all he has. He is a one trick pony and the top line needs a wing that is more than that. Sad thing is Brouwer appears to be a one trick pony this season also..but at least he has a short history of playing with Kane and Toews. There isn't mush to chose from with Sharp and Bolly out. Q is a little strapped.



What I really want to know is when we are down by a goal in a game like last night where a point is vital why didn't Joel stack the top line for a few shifts? Would have been nice to see a Hossa/Toews/Kane shift here or there? I would have liked to see it. Maybe Joel did throw it out there and I missed it.

 

[R K]

Ton the only reason i don't like the berg on that top line is because he creates zero space for Kane or Toews. Bergs speed is fantastic but that's all he has. He is a one trick pony and the top line needs a wing that is more than that. Sad thing is Brouwer appears to be a one trick pony this season also..but at least he has a short history of playing with Kane and Toews. There isn't mush to chose from with Sharp and Bolly out. Q is a little strapped.



What I really want to know is when we are down by a goal in a game like last night where a point is vital why didn't Joel stack the top line for a few shifts? Would have been nice to see a Hossa/Toews/Kane shift here or there? I would have liked to see it. Maybe Joel did throw it out there and I missed it.

Not that I saw. He was too busy trying to play a game a chess he already lost at.



Perry and Getzlaff played over half the PP time they had. Why did Kane and Toews not? Because he can't help but keep JT out on the PK. Can't do it. Apparently no one else can kill penalties.

 

[LordKOTL]

To me it seemed like the Ducks beat Hossa and Crawford. That's about it...oh, and the patented 3rd period collapse. Hell, even after Hossa scored, the team didn't look like it wanted to win. Q's fault for line-matching? maybe, but let's hope they come out better against Detroit. As far as I'm concerned nothing is certian until we have mathematically clinched or are mathematically out of it.

 

[Pez68]

Why, exactly, did Q think it would be a good idea to match Kane and Stalberg up against Ryan and Perry on the wings? Toews vs. Getzlaf, fine. The rest makes zero sense. We would have been better off having Bickell/Kruger/Brouwer out against them. At least they have the size to hang with them. At the very least Brouwer or Hossa should have taken Stalberg's spot on that line. This is another coaching loss, IMO. Though, Q doesn't have much to work with, especially at center. He gets some slack for that. Seabs and Keith share some of the blame, but they had ZERO help along the walls against Perry and Ryan.

 

[Larmer83]

Blame Q all you want. As for Brouwer and Bickell, I somehow don't recall them being on the ice for the two Anaheim goals.



But most of the blame goes to the players on the ice at the time of the goals, specifically the "core". Sure Keith and Seabrook were less than stellar but Toews was beaten in the corner on the 2nd Ducks goal. And why the **** do you follow your blocked shot towards the net(Kane 1st Anaheim goal) and allow what is arguably the best forward line combination to get behind you when your linemates are hovering around the opposing net.

 

[R K]

Blame Q all you want. As for Brouwer and Bickell, I somehow don't recall them being on the ice for the two Anaheim goals.



But most of the blame goes to the players on the ice at the time of the goals, specifically the "core". Sure Keith and Seabrook were less than stellar but Toews was beaten in the corner on the 2nd Ducks goal. And why the **** do you follow your blocked shot towards the net(Kane 1st Anaheim goal) and allow what is arguably the best forward line combination to get behind you when your linemates are hovering around the opposing net.

Because usually your checking line is opposing the other teams top line. Once again Q being out coached.

 

[PatrickShart]

Who is this "best checking line" you want against Perry/Getzlaff/Ryan...with Bolland and Sharp out?



It was a 1-0 game going into the 3rd, but Q was getting "worked over"?



On both ANA goals....Toews/Kane/Stalberg/Keith/Seabrook - a Conn Smythe winner and Norris trophy winner in that group - but if Stalberg wasnt out there, then all the difference in the world would have been made. What an idiot Q is for that.



RK....you say that Carlyle didnt use his 4th line...well, neither did Chicago, so whats the point there?



Toews/Kane were -2 each. Kane had 3 of the teams giveaways. Those two were non factors and/or ANA (the players - not the coach) did a very good job against them.



I agree that its a bad gameplan to try and put Keith and Seabrook back together because theyve been fucking horseshit as a pair all season long - Keith especially, but with the D as being more healthy than the forwards (with exception of Campbell not being 100%)...you'd think Q could depend or rely on Keith have one good game. Apparently not, so I guess he is an idiot for thinking such.

 

[R K]

LOL PMX. I knew you'd come to defend him.



Again explain to me why JT is killing every penalty? Explain to me why Carlyle keeps his horses on the PP for 2/3rds but put our 2nd for half or more? Explain to me why Q didn't have Hossa JT Kane out in the end. Explain to me why Q didn't split Seabs and Keith up when he saw Perry wasn't going to be called for interference and just man handled keith twice.



What ever once again Q costs this team a chance at a W. He had them so worried about LINE MATCH UPS they had a hard time playing the game. There is NO DOUBT that happened. Trust me.

 

[PatrickShart]

I think cause Pisani has failed in the PK and JT is the only face off guy the Hawks have, as well as best defensive player on the team.



You don't want JT on the ice/commented how his ice time was down, yet you dont think he should kill every penalty?



Yeah...I don't mind defending Q as much as you complain about him for every loss - and he does nothing when they win.



How was it Q's fault Seabrook let Getzlaff get behind him for a breakaway - when they were shoulder to shoulder exiting the zone?

How is it Q's fault that his Norris trophy defenceman Keith trips over his feet/get tangled with Ryan - who gets a breakaway in the second? Should he put hurt Campbell or 20yr old Leddy against them? Campoli?



People wanted Brouwer with Toews and Kane....well Brouwer and Bickell got lit up in the first period - and were done/jokes the rest of the game. Zero physical game from their 2 "biggest" wingers, but Q should put them out there versus that Getzlaff line?



If here did juggle/mix match lines during the game and they lose - he then gets blamed for not keeping lines together, that they can't mesh or gel, etc. He keeps them together and they lose and he doesnt do anything or try to change up "what isnt working".



I think a combo of ANA playing a very good game defensively in front of Emery, Perry is on fire, and Hawks had some breakdowns. Players need to be as accountable as coaches...not "this is all on Q" after every single loss, while some big dollar players failed - Kane, Keith(8mil this year!) , Seabrook especially.



Personally, I wouldve kept the D pairings the same as they have been - with Seab/Hjarl vs Getzlaff line....then the Campoli/Campbell against them as well.....and kept Keith/Leddy away from them as much as possible. But I dont know how healthy BC is or Hjarlm for that matter - if that has any effect on them.



You would think Keith can show up at some point, its only game 74. You never call out him as much as Q - when he's actually on the ice and needs to produce in a positive way.

 

[R K]

Incorrect I do not complain about him after every loss.



I do complain about him after this loss as has almost most I know that know anything about the game. To defend his chess match against Carlyle, the master line matcher is idiotic.



But hey, feel free. The players were more worried about getting the line match than playing the game. What does that say to you? Hmmm...



And your fucked, I call kieth out all the time. Unfortunately Saturday even when he was playing well Perry hauled him down with no interference call.

 

[PatrickShart]

As far as PP TOI -

ANA had 4 min of PP/PK time -

Getzlaff - 2:57 - 0:00pk

Perry - 3:10pp - 1:08pk

Ryan - 0:56pp - 0:47pk



CHI had 4min of PP/PK time -

Toews - 2:01pp - 1:37pk

Kane - 1:45pp - 0:00pk

Hossa - 1:24pp - 1:37pk





So now I assume you want Q to take Toews (Hawks best forward) off the PK (which he's been on every year)..then I assume Hossa as well, to rest. But for who? More PK time for Frolik, Bickell, Stalberg? Pisani hasnt worked out there....but those 3 havent played there yet. You don't think if Bolland and Sharp were in the lineup, those 2 wouldnt have killed more...giving some rest, and the team better 5 on 5?

 

[PatrickShart]

Well, they have 26 loses on the year...and prior to this game I know you put a minimum of 10 loses on him. So maybe not every game....but what - 42% (11 out of the 26)?



Q has a short bench, so I do think he was doing his best and felt the Keith/Seabrook was his best choice against that line - and yep, it failed. But it fails that he tried to match them or that the players didnt execute? Does he give up on Keith at this point then? I disagree and didnt think either Keith/Seabrook played well on saturday - but it could be as much as that line being on fire (gotta give them some credit). This is the best I think Perry has ever played, IMO.



And.....since Caryle is the master line matcher - are you the master baiter in baiting me into this discussion? (had to throw that in there....sorry. I do know STU was masturbating to Perry all game).



I just think ANA played a damn good game, and the lack of Bolland/Sharp - hurt the forward group especially against ANA. They're very physical and add those 2 and the Hawks skill level increases and those guys get worn down chasing the puck. ANA wouldve beaten most every team on Sat nite with how they played.

 

[R K]

HA I laughed at that at least!



Q has had some pretty shitty games. This last being one of them. For sure.



And Corey Perry is a dirty fucking player. He always has been. Now, even worse, they are allowing him to get away with his cheap plays.



1. Interference on Kane on the boards. Kane had NO puck



2. Dumped Keith twice, interference, no call.



3. Held Toews Stick right in front of the ref no call.



And keith had a bad game, beause the play you are talking about with Ryan was also a penalty. They didn't get caught up, Ryan took him down, just like Perry had twice before. Clear as day. I specifically watched that replay to make sure what I saw was really what happened. It was.