TGDT: 3/9 Blackhawks @ Lightning 6:30PM CSN/VERSUS

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BS goal by St. Louis. Should not have counted. He stopped, the puck went backwards.



No it didn't I stared at the replay on the jumbotron, it stopped but never moved backwards.
 

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Looking at St. Louis' Shootout goal...look at the replay. He spins, stops and stick-handles, and shoots.



Not a grey area; that was no goal.



Fucking zebras.



Either way we got a point. Tied with Calgary with a game in hand, but are only 5 back from Detwat. Let's get some rest and come out to bur4y the Caps.





I thought it was a good goal actually, but reading that I'm thinking I was wrong. The puck did definitely come to a complete stop on St.Louis' goal.





Per the penalty shot rule (which I also bolded in my post above):



"The spin-o-rama type move where the player completes a 360° turn as he approaches the goal, shall be permitted as this involves continuous motion."



This is a contradiction....errr addendum to the "The puck must be kept in motion towards the opponent’s goal line and once it is shot, the play shall be considered complete."





They grey here is that second part addendum as it already busts the "puck must be kept in motion towards the opponent's goal line" earlier in the rule as the addendum states the spin-o-rama type move "shall be permitted as this involves continuous motion", basically making it ok for the puck to move away from the net during the spin and/or calls the maneuver continuous motion. To easy to infer that what St. Louis did should be considered ok because the addendum overrules and is too grey of a statement that leaves the action up to interpretation of the manuever.
 

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Per the penalty shot rule (which I also bolded in my post above):



"The spin-o-rama type move where the player completes a 360° turn as he approaches the goal, shall be permitted as this involves continuous motion."



This is a contradiction....errr addendum to the "The puck must be kept in motion towards the opponent’s goal line and once it is shot, the play shall be considered complete."





They grey here is that second part addendum as it already busts the "puck must be kept in motion towards the opponent's goal line" earlier in the rule as the addendum states the spin-o-rama type move "shall be permitted as this involves continuous motion", basically making it ok for the puck to move away from the net during the spin and/or calls the maneuver continuous motion. To easy to infer that what St. Louis did should be considered ok because the addendum overrules and is too grey of a statement that leaves the action up to interpretation of the manuever.



And with that being said St.Louis was the continuous motion. It was a good goal and one of Marty's go to moves. I did get nervous when Toews didn't score and Hossa, i love hossa, but man do something a bit more sexy on the shootout. Sure it would have been awesome if he scored but that was an easy save that Rolly seen the entire way.
 

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...I will admit for the limited ice time he got Scott had a good game for sure. He certainly was a part of the first Hawks goal even though it didn't show on the score sheet. Would have loved for him to have scored on that cross bar he hit. Had some heat on it that shot (Not sure if it changed directions on its way but thats not here or there). He did have a good game.



Even I noticed Scott last night, and he did play adequately....









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Bickell pots his break away, Toews and Kane roof their shoot-out attempts we are not having a discussion aboot St. Louis's goal (which I believe was BS). Team had their chances to put this game away and came up empty. The slow 1st periods have to stop.



Agree Campoli seems to be an excellent addition to the team.



Hoping for a better results against the Capitols. Hope Bolly and Soup are okay.
 

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ok to the people who are posting in here saying that was a good goal, and are posting the rules...look at the replay yes he does a spin-o-ramma but then STOPS! STOPS! then handles the puck and then lifts it...stop acting like you are brain surgeons in here. The rule says you have to be in a skating torwards the goalie and can not stop! This league has more grey areas then the color grey. This is why this league is not covered by major sporting channels, and is run by a bunch of dumb fucks. You make a rule stand by it, don't ley shit slide because it looks pretty, and can cause a team standings, and possible missing the playoffs! Maybe Q will get an apology letter from Toronto and then he can whip his ass with it, then Craw can piss on it and then label it return to sender!





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Wow we are doing a lot of crying over an excellent hockey game that we just happened to lose. It was a good goal get over it. Hell St.Louis has a bit more class than to pull an illegal move anyway. If we were going to lose to the Bolts I don't mind losing to him, he's an excellent player, hell he's the best player on the team. It was a great defensive game despite the score. Roly had a very good game in net. The Tampa defense did exactly what they needed to do, take away the ability to set up and get a strong cycle going.
 

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Wow we are doing a lot of crying over an excellent hockey game that we just happened to lose. It was a good goal get over it. Hell St.Louis has a bit more class than to pull an illegal move anyway. If we were going to lose to the Bolts I don't mind losing to him, he's an excellent player, hell he's the best player on the team. It was a great defensive game despite the score. Roly had a very good game in net. The Tampa defense did exactly what they needed to do, take away the ability to set up and get a strong cycle going.





Well I think the problem is once again the NHL Officiating comes up short against the hawks. Where was the 5 minute major for the ELBOW to Bollands head, that knocked him out of the game?



What was with the Delay of game penalty that clearly was not delay of game. Then add the goofy circus move that was clearly NOT legal as he STOPPED full motion, then shot the puck, which ALSO stopped.



I think people have a legitimate reason to ***** here. Points are massive right now.





Gotta give props to teh hawks for thsi one. They lost a D man and basically skated with 5 on a second half of Back to Back.



They lost their 2nd line Center in the first period for the entire game. Not to mention once again, 2nd game in a row, had to climb back into the game from being down 2 goals or more. I'm happy with the point. I'm not happy with the NHL once again clearly fucking up.
 

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Don't forget the no call on off sides for the first goal... Ugh



Well I think the problem is once again the NHL Officiating comes up short against the hawks. Where was the 5 minute major for the ELBOW to Bollands head, that knocked him out of the game?



What was with the Delay of game penalty that clearly was not delay of game. Then add the goofy circus move that was clearly NOT legal as he STOPPED full motion, then shot the puck, which ALSO stopped.



I think people have a legitimate reason to ***** here. Points are massive right now.





Gotta give props to teh hawks for thsi one. They lost a D man and basically skated with 5 on a second half of Back to Back.



They lost their 2nd line Center in the first period for the entire game. Not to mention once again, 2nd game in a row, had to climb back into the game from being down 2 goals or more. I'm happy with the point. I'm not happy with the NHL once again clearly fucking up.
 

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Well I think the problem is once again the NHL Officiating comes up short against the hawks. Where was the 5 minute major for the ELBOW to Bollands head, that knocked him out of the game?



What was with the Delay of game penalty that clearly was not delay of game. Then add the goofy circus move that was clearly NOT legal as he STOPPED full motion, then shot the puck, which ALSO stopped.



I think people have a legitimate reason to ***** here. Points are massive right now.





Gotta give props to teh hawks for thsi one. They lost a D man and basically skated with 5 on a second half of Back to Back.



They lost their 2nd line Center in the first period for the entire game. Not to mention once again, 2nd game in a row, had to climb back into the game from being down 2 goals or more. I'm happy with the point. I'm not happy with the NHL once again clearly fucking up.



I missed the shot on Bolly. The DOG was a bad call. Even on the Jumbotron it hit the glass first. St.Louis goal was a good goal.
 

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Win or Lose, I'm just so tired of this team going into shootouts. Not that it's their fault per se, I'm just tired of the shootout, it used to be a fun novelty when it happened every now and then but it feels like a 1/4 of their games have gone to a shootout.



Pretty good effort and recovery for losing soupy before the game, Bolland during the game, and having John Scott on the ice for over 7 minutes. Glad the line scramble didn't **** them. It was lucky that pisani magically was healed for this exact game....



As I had been hoping to see, I thought Frolik played very well with Hossa, unfortunately he was at center instead of wing, but I thought he had a strong game. I thought #14 has another decent game and has done a very good job since the trade. Leddy made some gaffs but they were 20 YO gaffs not hockey gaffs... I am seriously stuggling with who is the bigger loss Campbell or Bolly... Normally I'd say bolly hands down because of depth, but the D seems to be so solid when the lineup is set.



I still think Turco should have started that game.
 

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Win or Lose, I'm just so tired of this team going into shootouts. Not that it's their fault per se, I'm just tired of the shootout, it used to be a fun novelty when it happened every now and then but it feels like a 1/4 of their games have gone to a shootout.



Pretty good effort and recovery for losing soupy before the game, Bolland during the game, and having John Scott on the ice for over 7 minutes. Glad the line scramble didn't **** them. It was lucky that pisani magically was healed for this exact game....



As I had been hoping to see, I thought Frolik played very well with Hossa, unfortunately he was at center instead of wing, but I thought he had a strong game. I thought #14 has another decent game and has done a very good job since the trade. Leddy made some gaffs but they were 20 YO gaffs not hockey gaffs... I am seriously stuggling with who is the bigger loss Campbell or Bolly... Normally I'd say bolly hands down because of depth, but the D seems to be so solid when the lineup is set.



I still think Turco should have started that game.



Honestly I would have been thrilled with a tie. 3-3 tie, no problems with that, it was a great hockey game.



I think Campbell is far more important that Bolly, Campbell brings a lot of intangibles, one of the guys at the game was saying he was disappointing in Campbell beacuse a lack of points production, I told him his game has changed since coming to Chicago and he brings those intangibles.
 

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Honestly I would have been thrilled with a tie. 3-3 tie, no problems with that, it was a great hockey game.



I think Campbell is far more important that Bolly, Campbell brings a lot of intangibles, one of the guys at the game was saying he was disappointing in Campbell beacuse a lack of points production, I told him his game has changed since coming to Chicago and he brings those intangibles.

I'm not going into this in another thread, but I won't take a tie. Fucking let them play till someone wins, I don't care if it is 4-4... Can you imagaine how great that game (and several games this year) would have been if there was no shootout and no ties. Every game is already a playoff atmosphere with as close as everyone is in the standings, imagine the last week weeks battling for points, it would be like the playoffs came early. Sure you'd have a lot of extra minutes on these players but who cares. No one complains about that in a 6 OT playoff game. Every point means something at this point and to have teams get into or fall out of the playoffs because of a fucking shootout? **** off wit chas.
 

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I thought the 2 bad calls were the missed elbow to Bollands head - how is that not as bad as Hjarlmarsson's hit or some of the other head shots, I'll never know. Then, that delay of game versus Hjarlmarsson. Yet...they let that trip go against Vinny in OT...so who knows what the ****.



Team played pretty hard being down Campbell, Stalberg...then Bolland. To come back, and get a point shows some character. It wasnt one of Hossa's (-2) best games and I hope this means he doesnt go back into hiding for a few weeks. He's too important.



Campoli's looking good. I hope Scooter can find a way to keep him and go with this group of 6 going into next year.
 

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I missed the shot on Bolly. The DOG was a bad call. Even on the Jumbotron it hit the glass first. St.Louis goal was a good goal.





Look Supraman..If Hawks lose in regulation because the lack of effort or into overtime because of not showing then I blame the hawks and move on...but when a questionable call is made and in this case a game decider..is bullshit. Its sad that officals can't get it correct..they wear those shirts for a reason in sports. Yes I know they are not perfect but for god sakes it soo dammm obvious. And your telling me that your eyes supraman are better then thousands and thousands of other eyes that saw differently....and if a they come back and say it was a bad goal Supraman..then what are you going to fight it and say no it was a good goal.
 

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Its not just the Hawks, RK. Lidstrom got a high stick vs Handzus and LA scored on that play. It was pretty clear. Not that I give a shit about DET (and Hawks gained another point on them)...just saying its everywhere and it sucks. Sedin vs PHX the other nite...Belanger tapped him and he went down like he got shot.
 

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Acco, do the Hawks ever lose a game where there's not "blame"...just a loss?
 

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Acco, do the Hawks ever lose a game where there's not "blame"...just a loss?





as a matter of fact yes..against the Panthers..that was all Hawks that lost that one...by sleep walking in the first. Shell I list more games.
 

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I missed the shot on Bolly. The DOG was a bad call. Even on the Jumbotron it hit the glass first. St.Louis goal was a good goal.





I disagree. He stopped, the puck stopped.... Like Biscuit says the Rule is extremely vague.



And just so everyone knows Pat and Eddie are IDIOTS. they did NOT review that play as it's a NON reviewable call. Only the going over the line is questionable/reviewable.
 

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