The Cubs Bullpen Issues Continue

[The Bandit]

I am starting to wonder if Sveum is gonna be back in a year or two. He is an eh manager who I think is just a stop gap till the team is ready to bring in a real manager. This bullpen though... jesus.
Stop Gap manager?.....Really?.....You've bought everything they're selling. No wasted seasons? Seasons are precious? I'm all for building a dynasty. But please tell me how they didn't outright lie from the initial press conference.

well shit tell me how ya really feel? He's not a great manager, plain and simple, I HOPE he isn't here when we are ready to contend, better?

 

[Willrust]

Oh you poor thing.

Just try closing your eyes and let it flow.


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[Willrust]

 

[Willrust]

 

[justaChifan]

My point is , they never mentioned the absolute complete tear down, that needs to be done, at the initial press conference. They started out with a lie. What's even worse is if they had a decent bullpen, this year, they might be contending. I don't think management wants to be in contention this year.

 

[The Bandit]

My point is , they never mentioned the absolute complete tear down, that needs to be done, at the initial press conference. They started out with a lie. What's even worse is if they had a decent bullpen, this year, they might be contending. I don't think management wants to be in contention this year.

Because going on the airwaves and telling faithful fans that hey we're gonna blow pretty bad for at least 2 years but you should keep buying tickets anyways would have worked out so well...

 

[Boobaby1]

Sorry don't know how to quote.

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[justaChifan]

At least you admitted there are sheep at Wrigley. I don't like the fact that Theo, at last years trading deadline, said for fans to get used to tearing up a good starting staff only to keep flipping players. By the looks of attendance, I don't think the fans have that much patience.

 

[Boobaby1]

Because going on the airwaves and telling faithful fans that hey we're gonna blow pretty bad for at least 2 years but you should keep buying tickets anyways would have worked out so well...

Of course, letting Pena and Ramirez walk and bringing in Stewart, LaHair, and Volstad might have been a dead giveaway. opcorn:

 

[The Bandit]

At least you admitted there are sheep at Wrigley. I don't like the fact that Theo, at last years trading deadline, said for fans to get used to tearing up a good starting staff only to keep flipping players. By the looks of attendance, I don't think the fans have that much patience.

There is obviously sheep, I don't buy everything someone tells me to buy, but from what I know, the team was in shambles, it's not an opinion, it is a fact, and we weren't going to simply patch it in a year or less. Wasn't possible then and it still isn't, some think that you go out and burn a million gajillion dollars on FA's to maintain the aging system but that doesn't work.

Of course, letting Pena and Ramirez walk and bringing in Stewart, LaHair, and Volstad might have been a dead giveaway. opcorn:

It was evident we were about to blow it up, but you can't come into a new organization and just tell a fan base that has suffered losing for over 100 years that you need to be patient and buy lots of tickets so we can rebuild faster... doesn't work.

 

[justaChifan]

I think we all want the same thing, but, wasted years is not one of them. They could be in the mix right now with the team they have ..? Neglecting the bullpen should not be an oversight.

 

[Willrust]

My point is , they never mentioned the absolute complete tear down, that needs to be done, at the initial press conference. They started out with a lie. What's even worse is if they had a decent bullpen, this year, they might be contending. I don't think management wants to be in contention this year.

Think you may be misremembering the press conference:

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/stor...ce-theo-epstein-president-baseball-operations

If you want the video:

[video=youtube;nyYh3hur-Ag]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyYh3hur-Ag[/video]

If you want further reading:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colu...i_gene&page=wojciechowski-120218&sportCat=mlb

He specifically said that the goal is to have sustained success. He did say that every season is special, but he also said that their main focus would be on the future!

Here are links to things that Ricketts said even before hiring Theo Epstein:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...hicago20110818_1_tom-ricketts-tim-wilken-cubs

& his quotes in a letter to season ticket holders before the start of the 2011 season:

Given that we had the highest payroll in the NL in 2010, I get a lot of questions about our payroll commitment for 2011. As I said earlier, we are still working on our 2011 baseball plan, so it is hard to be too specific at this time. What I can tell you is that our overall baseball budget (scouting, player development and payroll) will be about the same in 2011 as it was in 2010. Continued long term success will come through superior scouting and player development, and we are committed to improving that facet of the organization. As a result, this likely means a shift of some of our resources from the major league payroll toward scouting and player development, but we are still very much in the evaluation phase.

 

[justaChifan]

This team could gain a lot of confidence if they didn't piss away so many games.

 

[KBisBack!]

but from what I know, the team was in shambles, it's not an opinion, it is a fact

Um, no.

Actually that is pretty much a textbook definition of an opinion.

Are they teaching anything in college these days?

It was evident we were about to blow it up, but you can't come into a new organization and just tell a fan base that has suffered losing for over 100 years that you need to be patient and buy lots of tickets so we can rebuild faster... doesn't work

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You know what does work??

Putting a quality fucking team on the field.

But that is apparently just silly talk because you still can't grasp the fact that you can field a quality major league team while you build the farm system up.

 

[KBisBack!]

Given that we had the highest payroll in the NL in 2010, I get a lot of questions about our payroll commitment for 2011. As I said earlier, we are still working on our 2011 baseball plan, so it is hard to be too specific at this time. What I can tell you is that our overall baseball budget (scouting, player development and payroll) will be about the same in 2011 as it was in 2010.

Which was bullshit.

They cut basically $22M from the payroll from 2010 to 2011.

No chance in hell they spent all $22M on scouting and player development. They did spend $7M more on draft spending in 2011, despite the fact that clearly Jim Hendry begged him not to spend the money since he was dead set on totally ignoring the farm system. But that still leaves $15M on scouting and player development.

No fucking chance.

Continued long term success will come through superior scouting and player development, and we are committed to improving that facet of the organization. As a result, this likely means a shift of some of our resources from the major league payroll toward scouting and player development, but we are still very much in the evaluation phase.

So they say they want to have superior scouting and player development but also somehow have to pick in the top 5 in draft??

Doesn't that kinda seem like wasting those resources by picking that high? We are all a bunch of message board idiots but can come up with the top 2-3 prospects available this draft.

You would think if you had such superior scouting and player development, you wouldn't have to depend so much on picking so high in the draft and would be smart enough to be able to find the players like Jose Fernandez, Chris Sale, Shelby Miller, Mike Trout or Jason Heyward that have been picked in the teens or later of the first round in recent drafts.

 

[The Bandit]

Which was bullshit.

They cut basically $22M from the payroll from 2010 to 2011.

No chance in hell they spent all $22M on scouting and player development. They did spend $7M more on draft spending in 2011, despite the fact that clearly Jim Hendry begged him not to spend the money since he was dead set on totally ignoring the farm system. But that still leaves $15M on scouting and player development.

No fucking chance.




So they say they want to have superior scouting and player development but also somehow have to pick in the top 5 in draft??

Doesn't that kinda seem like wasting those resources by picking that high? We are all a bunch of message board idiots but can come up with the top 2-3 prospects available this draft.

You would think if you had such superior scouting and player development, you wouldn't have to depend so much on picking so high in the draft and would be smart enough to be able to find the players like Jose Fernandez, Chris Sale, Shelby Miller, Mike Trout or Jason Heyward that have been picked in the teens or later of the first round in recent drafts.

Boyd you're such an idiot its pointless to waste my time reading the shit I quoted. Slurp slurp slurp.

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[The Bandit]

Um, no.

Actually that is pretty much a textbook definition of an opinion.

Are they teaching anything in college these days?

.

You know what does work??

Putting a quality fucking team on the field.

But that is apparently just silly talk because you still can't grasp the fact that you can field a quality major league team while you build the farm system up.

Just listen to your signature and find a bottle of booze for yourself.

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[Willrust]

Just listen to your signature and find a bottle of booze for yourself.

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Common Vick, we are actually having a baseball discussion here. Can we not get into the name calling and be civil.

 

[The Bandit]

Common Vick, we are actually having a baseball discussion here. Can we not get into the name calling and be civil.

I'd love to be civil but Jesus Christ ho many times can someone call everyone an idiot slurping on the spank fest repetitive and never gets his point across in a constructive way.

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[Willrust]

Which was bullshit.

They cut basically $22M from the payroll from 2010 to 2011.

No chance in hell they spent all $22M on scouting and player development. They did spend $7M more on draft spending in 2011, despite the fact that clearly Jim Hendry begged him not to spend the money since he was dead set on totally ignoring the farm system. But that still leaves $15M on scouting and player development.

They spent quite a bit of money on the international signings (Soler & Conception), added personnel, purchased an analytics program and completed the facilities in the Dominican. And baseball reference has the difference in payroll between 2010 to 2011 as -11M not the 22M you reported:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/attend.shtml


Also

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/...oms-what-to-expect-from-the-cubs-draft-picks/

They spend over 9M on the draft in 2011.

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/...ould-be-the-kind-of-impact-player-team-needs/

And over 1.6M in International signings.

Looks like they spent the difference in payroll from 2010 to 2011 to me.