The Gas Thread Revisited

MassHavoc

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And I get an additional .10 off per gallon because it is linked to my debit card. So, make that $3.49 which I think is still high for what the price per barrel is versus the pump.
where are you getting gas at? The wife is the only one who buys it really anymore and I just tell her to look for the best place. We almost got a BP card or whatever because they promised 3% back but it had some weird stipulations. We basically just use the car for her work so if we could find the loyalty program with the most off we'd do that.



And yes, I think prices will continue to decline very slowly until the election.
 

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Our gas deal in Rockford is from a local supplier/ convienence store/ gas station Road Ranger.
 

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$4.80 up here. **** you guys.
 

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Still 3.88 here in CROOK county. At least premium has come down to around 22 cents higher than regular. Used to be a straight ten cents from regular to midgrade, and another ten cents from midgrade to premium. The last couple years it's been fucking ridiculously high. Like fifty cents higher a gallon. Fueling the GTO is fucking expensive.
 

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I've seen as low as 3.39 in South Texas. 3.49 where I live.
 

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I think I saw one place in the general area that *finally* got back beneath $4/gallon for 87.
 

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Oil is down $3 per barrel to $81......... wow.



I filled up this morning at $3.45 gallon.
 

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The game-changer in the geopolitics of energy





Last year, the world's energy watchdog published a report which asked an important question: "Are we entering a golden age of gas?"

So I was struck when I saw the International Energy Agency's 2012 report. Gone is the question mark.

Instead it says, simply: "Golden rules for a golden age of gas."

And the starting point of that golden age is right here in America.

It's becoming increasingly clear that the shale gas revolution is a game-changer not just for the energy industry, not just for the U.S. — but for geopolitics.

The technology behind shale gas production, where shale rock is blasted with a mixture of water, sand, and chemicals, is only two decades old. The process is called fracking.

Related: Fracking — What is it?

And in a short time, its success has led to the drilling of 20,000 wells in America, the creation of hundreds of thousands of jobs, and a guaranteed supply of gas for perhaps 100 years. The International Energy Agency says global gas production will rise 50% by the year 2035; two-thirds of that growth will come from unconventional sources like shale — a market the U.S. completely dominates.

We've become the world's lowest-cost producer of natural gas at a cost of $2 per thousand cubic feet; compare that with many European countries which have to pay seven times as much to Russia.

It's increasingly possible to use liquified natural gas as a substitute for oil as a transportation fuel, so the effects go beyond generating electricity. General Motors is planning to produce cars that can take natural gas or oil in their fuel tanks.

Aside from the advantages to America, shale gas has the potential to change the geopolitics of energy.

So far, gas has been supplied by a handful of regimes — Russia, Iran, Venezuela — many of them nasty and illegitimate, thriving on global instability, which actually helps their bottom line since instability equals higher oil and gas prices.

In the next 20 years, much of this energy could come from stable, democratic countries like the United States, Canada, Australia, Poland, France and Israel. That would be good for the free world, bad for the rogues and good for global stability. China has huge shale reserves and, even though it is not democratic, it is a country that seeks stability, not instability.

One problem — there's a significant lobby against shale gas and the way it's produced.

Fracking consumes a lot of water.

Shale production also creates large quantities of methane, a greenhouse gas. Sometimes methane pours out of faucets in areas near shale gas production centers, as you can see in this video. Critics also claim fracking can trigger minor earthquakes.

So what do we do?

The good news is these risks are manageable, as the IEA's new report points out. And it has a list of "Golden Rules" to follow — from safety measures to reducing emissions to engaging with local communities.

The IEA estimates these measures would add just 7% to the cost of the average shale gas well.

Many of the riskiest practices are employed by a small number of the lowest-cost producers, a situation that calls for sensible regulation.

Let's figure out how to make fracking cleaner and safer. We can regulate the process with good, simple rules. The benefits are immense and the problems manageable.



http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/10/zakaria-the-game-changer-in-the-geopolitics-of-energy/?hpt=hp_bn2
 

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Saw it $3.18 this weekend. $3.34 where I live.
 

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Fracking...so here is my biggest concern and it sounds simple and some of you may laugh at it, but what happens to the ground above and around the gas or oil extraction sites when those materials are removed? Water just magically stands still and takes the place of the previous material? At some point I fear that we will see a lot more changes to the surface near these sites like you do above former coal mines. Coal mine subsidence can happen with fracking sites too, I would assume. Is this going to lead to more crust displacement and seismic activity?



FYI - I studied this extensively in a 300 level Earth Science and Geology class recently.
 

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Fracking...so here is my biggest concern and it sounds simple and some of you may laugh at it, but what happens to the ground above and around the gas or oil extraction sites when those materials are removed? Water just magically stands still and takes the place of the previous material? At some point I fear that we will see a lot more changes to the surface near these sites like you do above former coal mines. Coal mine subsidence can happen with fracking sites too, I would assume. Is this going to lead to more crust displacement and seismic activity?



FYI - I studied this extensively in a 300 level Earth Science and Geology class recently.
I'm more worried about the part of the article that said "[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]a guaranteed supply of gas for perhaps 100 years.". really? 100 years? That's it? I hope that they missed a 0 or two.. .That's a whole shit ton of money for 100 years of gas.[/font]
 

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I'm more worried about the part of the article that said "[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]a guaranteed supply of gas for perhaps 100 years.". really? 100 years? That's it? I hope that they missed a 0 or two.. .That's a whole shit ton of money for 100 years of gas.[/font]

That's a whole lot of speculation too...but then gas prices would be a lot cheaper without 'speculation'. Eh, see what I did there???
 

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3.87 is the cheapest in my neighborhood right now.
 

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My ex-brother-in-laws car in Panama was modified to run on natural gas or gasoline. Saved him $$$$$ on gas, but was supposedly hard on the engine, he often preferred to use gasoline. Took up nearly all the trunk space as well. I hate to think what would happen if he got in a nasty rear end accident. But then safety is ussually the last thing on the minds of people in Panama comes to cars and driving.
 

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My ex-brother-in-laws car in Panama was modified to run on natural gas or gasoline. Saved him $$$$$ on gas, but was supposedly hard on the engine, he often preferred to use gasoline. Took up nearly all the trunk space as well. I hate to think what would happen if he got in a nasty rear end accident. But then safety is ussually the last thing on the minds of people in Panama comes to cars and driving.

That is a huge reason why there aren't more natural gas autos on the road. Gasoline has a high combustion level. Natural gas, not so much.
 

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If car's could run efficiently on Natural Gas, Jako would be the richest man in the world.
 

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