The Hawks Bitching Thread

[ericthered]

Well when these two teams are in the equation, being in the TOP 5 PP's in the league I think that original statement is incorrect.



My math sense tells me 3 for 14 is a better % than 1 for 9. And considering the Canucks have had the BEST PP in the LEAGUE almost all year, what does that tell me?



31% also says no way do "most" teams score, 5 on 3.



Not even the BEST PP TEAM in the league who was 1 for 9. That's just over 11%.

I think it's just that when you have a 2-man advantage you almost expect to score because you expect the quality scoring chances to be better. Tonight, Luongo definitely made big saves when they needed him to.



Now I'm trying to figure out the league average for 5 on 4 pp.



And if I copied and pasted the numbers correctly, the league average for 5 on 4 pp is 17% and for total pp it's 18%.



Edit:

(On topic) If Torres isn't suspended as a "repeat offender" I would be surprised.



Edit#2



Tampa Bay had the most 5 on 3pp goals; they went 11 for 21.

 

[jakobeast]

I'll tell you why tonight in perticular. Louongo! He made one of the best saves I've seen all year on Sharp then two seconds later slammed Kane.



He's the reason we weren't up 3-0.



And don't worry Jako this team, BEAT TO SHIT, is holding their head in shame. Don't worry.



It's not like 10 of them left won us a fucking CUP or anything.



Wait till the injuries come out next week, assuming they do.



I suspect 3 hawks will have surgery and one wears the C.

No guff Lou made a few great saves. No fucking doubt. That may be the only saving grace for that 5 on 3. Still, 2 extra attackers? Come on. And how about all season long? And to another point, how about last year too? Their ineffectiveness on the 5 on 3 is disheartening. I am glad we did finally got the PP working tonight.



I am painfully aware of the injuries this team has. I contend they shouldn't even be in the Playoffs. The Wild did the Hawks no favors. I know that Toews, Kane, Sharp, Campbell, and I wouldn't doubt Hossa and a host of others are hurt to high hell. I know.



I never thought the Hawks would repeat. Not gonna happen in the Cap era. Well, maybe, but I don't think it will happen. I said at the beginning of the year the Hawks would make it into the playoffs, but get booted first round, maybe second if they were lucky. The Hawks made it as far as I though they would. Am I glad they won the Cup last year? You bet your sweet dupa. But how long can I rest on that laurel? When does that stop?



Glad the won it last year.



Glad they won it 2 years ago.



Glad they won it 49 years ago.



I have no problem with the team not winning this year. I think they need a rest. They played a shit ton of hockey last year. Lets not forget that 6 players played even more games, as they were in the Olympics.



I think a good few months off with no PR obligations will be damn good for them.

 

[Pez68]

You have any stats to back that comment up? Just asking...

I didn't, but since you asked, I checked into it. This season, the Hawks have had 12:51 of 5 on 3 time. They have scored THREE fucking goals. They were 3/14 with a 2 man advantage this season.



Their 5 on 3 PP percentage is lower than their overall PP percentage....



Florida had the worst PP percentage in the NHL, yet, scored 5 more goals, in just 25 seconds more 5 on 3 time.



It's absolutely dreadful, and there is no excuse for a GREAT PP team to be THAT bad when 5 on 3.



Ten points lower than the league average for 5 on 3.

 

[R K]

I didn't, but since you asked, I checked into it. This season, the Hawks have had 12:51 of 5 on 3 time. They have scored THREE fucking goals. They were 3/14 with a 2 man advantage this season.



Their 5 on 3 PP percentage is lower than their overall PP percentage....



Florida had the worst PP percentage in the NHL, yet, scored 5 more goals, in just 25 seconds more 5 on 3 time.



It's absolutely dreadful, and there is no excuse for a GREAT PP team to be THAT bad when 5 on 3.

Ten points lower than the league average for 5 on 3.

It's above.



Hawks were 3-14, Canucks were 1-9



on the year.



Thats the #1 and #4 PP in the league and for most of the season the #1 and #2.



Overall percentage in the league was 31%.



Teams do not mostly score on the two man advantage.



And as for the bolded comments whats the excuse for the #1 PP all year? No excuse again?

 

[Ton]

Their problem on the 5-on-3 is that they do not MOVE. They stand still and wait for a passing lane to open, which is so easy to defend because there is no movement.

 

[Pez68]

No, it's not above. 31% league average. 21% for the Hawks. I'm not going to do the math to find out all the percentages, for all the teams, but the Hawks are below average 5 on 3.

 

[R K]

No, it's not above. 31% league average. 21% for the Hawks. I'm not going to do the math to find out all the percentages, for all the teams, but the Hawks are below average 5 on 3.

But yet better than the #1 PP in the league all season. And ranked #2 for most of the season.



Of course they are below 31%, but not staggaring.



It's 21%. Meanwhile the Canucks were a whopping 11%. That's the #1 and #2 PP in the league for most of the year.



And I meant it was above the percentage of the #1 PP in the league. Had they scored ONE more goal and it been 4-14 it would have been ABOVE the league average.

 

[thanson1990]

Their problem on the 5-on-3 is that they do not MOVE. They stand still and wait for a passing lane to open, which is so easy to defend because there is no movement.

THIS. I feel like a broken record with how many times i say it. I've said it in the chat multiple times before, and found myself saying the same fucking thing at the game tonight. If you stand still the whole time, nothing is going to open up.

 

[R K]

THIS. I feel like a broken record with how many times i say it. I've said it in the chat multiple times before, and found myself saying the same fucking thing at the game tonight. If you stand still the whole time, nothing is going to open up.

Tonight were their best PP's of the three games so far IMO. They took the zone and failed to break down the Canucks a couple of times. Although they were 2-8 on the PP. Could have been 3-4 for 8 if not for the other teams goalies.



Much better than the TWO PP's they were given in Game #2 IMO.

 

[Pez68]

But yet better than the #1 PP in the league all season. And ranked #2 for most of the season.



Of course they are below 31%, but not staggaring.



It's 21%. Meanwhile the Canucks were a whopping 11%. That's the #1 and #2 PP in the league for most of the year.



And I meant it was above the percentage of the #1 PP in the league. Had they scored ONE more goal and it been 4-14 it would have been ABOVE the league average.

Actually, 4/14 still would have been below the league average.



Let's look at Vancouver, who had the least number of 5 on 3 chances and 5 on 3 time in the NHL, along with Phoenix. Pretty small sample size. Well, how about the rest of the top ten PPs in the NHL?



VAN went 1/9

SJ went 7/17

ANA went 7/16

CHI went 3/14

DET went 4/17

TBL went 11/21

MTL went 5/13

CGY went 6/16

BUF went 5/14

STL went 5/15



So, yeah, we sucked 5 on 3. Were there teams that performed more poorly? Yes, but for the most part, those teams didn't make the playoffs.

 

[R K]

Least of their problems. One more goal and they'd have been above league average.



back to the cheap shot on Torres......

 

[Pez68]

Least of their problems. One more goal and they'd have been above league average.



back to the cheap shot on Torres......

I hate to be a dick(who am I kidding), but 4/14 is not even 29%. Again, league average is 31%. So, once again, no, one more goal isn't above league average. If this team scores two more 5 on 3 goals(to get ABOVE league average), it might have translated to two more wins, we're suddenly sitting in fourth place instead of eighth, and maybe not getting our asses handed to us. Just saying.



As far as the Torres cheap shot, what more needs to be said? It was dirty, he'll probably be suspended, it should have been a major. Everything that needed to be said was already said.

 

[R K]

I hate to be a dick(who am I kidding), but 4/14 is not even 29%. Again, league average is 31%. So, once again, no, one more goal isn't above league average. If this team scores two more 5 on 3 goals(to get ABOVE league average), it might have translated to two more wins, we're suddenly sitting in fourth place instead of eighth, and maybe not getting our asses handed to us. Just saying.



As far as the Torres cheap shot, what more needs to be said? It was dirty, he'll probably be suspended, it should have been a major. Everything that needed to be said was already said.

Oh fucking bullshit. If we'd have finished fourth the Preds would be beating us right now. This team is beyond fucking hurt. 2 more 5 on 3 goals wouldn't mean shit. You are just typing bullshit now to type it. Just like the other thread. I can't take you serious because this is just dumb talk at this point.



Just saying...



If they had a 2nd line CENTER right now would be something to talk about. Not two more 5 on 3 goals in the course of 82 games.



I serously laughed at that.

 

[bierboy]

...PP scored two goals. I'm not sure how many you expect them to score STH...

I've been wondering the same....folks bitching about our PP (and I among them), but we score 2 on 7 PPs (official stats say Nucks had 7 PPs, not 8). That percentage (28.5%) is actually pretty good. The PP has not been our main problem this year...

 

[jakobeast]

Oh fucking bullshit. If we'd have finished fourth the Preds would be beating us right now. This team is beyond fucking hurt. 2 more 5 on 3 goals wouldn't mean shit. You are just typing bullshit now to type it. Just like the other thread. I can't take you serious because this is just dumb talk at this point.



Just saying...



If they had a 2nd line CENTER right now would be something to talk about. Not two more 5 on 3 goals in the course of 82 games.



I serously laughed at that.

If if and buts were candy and nuts.....



Yes, we don't have a second line center. We don't have a lot of things.





As far the 5 on 3 stat, they also don't track how much time on the 5 on 3 the team has. I don't expect a team to rock a goal with less then 30 seconds, but a minute or over I do. As was stated, there needs to be movement. Get their D moving. spread them out, get them guessing where the puck is moving to next.



As far as the hit, I think Torres should be suspended. Although I am also very biased. Buccigross said it best. "I would suspend him for 25 games". The monkey wrench will be the hits behind the net thing.



I just don't get why Toews would say "We will deal with it accordingly". The time to deal with it was immediately. during the game. I'm not talking about fighting or cheap shots, I am talking about a nice solid CLEAN hit on one of the Sedins, Hamhuis, one of their big time players. THAT'S what needed to happen. In the new era, it can't be like it was, but do you think if Savard was run like Kaner was and has been that Secord woulda skated away? Hell, there would be an line brawl.



Well, maybe this is a discussion for eliminating the instigator rule.

 

[Pez68]

As far the 5 on 3 stat, they also don't track how much time on the 5 on 3 the team has.

Actually, they do. Hawks averaged 55 seconds per 5 on 3 advantage. Tampa Bay, who went 11/21 in 5 on 3 advantages, averaged 46 seconds per 5 on 3 advantage. Not sure how you defend the Hawks' performance 5 on 3, but it's been abysmal for a couple years now.

 

[R K]

I've been wondering the same....folks bitching about our PP (and I among them), but we score 2 on 7 PPs (official stats say Nucks had 7 PPs, not 8). That percentage (28.5%) is actually pretty good. The PP has not been our main problem this year...

Everyones gotta ***** about something I guess. Even those things that in the sceme of things don't mean very much.



They should have been 7 for 7....



What they really should have had is 5 minutes straight!

 

[Irish Hawk]

Definite head shot, should have been a 5 minute major and thrown out of the game. Hope he gets a suspension for it. The guys an absolute piece of shit to pull a cheap shot like that when he's just back from a suspension. I'm so pissed off right now about the whole thing.

 

[phranchk]

I hate to be a dick(who am I kidding), but 4/14 is not even 29%. Again, league average is 31%. So, once again, no, one more goal isn't above league average. If this team scores two more 5 on 3 goals(to get ABOVE league average), it might have translated to two more wins, we're suddenly sitting in fourth place instead of eighth, and maybe not getting our asses handed to us. Just saying.



As far as the Torres cheap shot, what more needs to be said? It was dirty, he'll probably be suspended, it should have been a major. Everything that needed to be said was already said.

If they were 4/14, then yes, one more goal and they would have been above the league average. 5/14 = 36%



Edit: Nevermind. I see the argument. You're saying they went 3/14 and one more would have been 4/14.

 

[Ton]

Honestly, does it really matter whether they were 3/14 or 4/14 or 14/14 on the 5-on-3 during the season? The fact is, they couldn't do it when it counted most, and that sucks more than any regular season stat. They had their chances and buried themselves instead of the puck, it's a shame but half the team can't even take a shot.