The Jake Arrieta Appreciation Thread

[brett05]

Can't argue it

I wish they held off and allowed a day or two of voting. It can all be done secure and online.

 

[beckdawg]

So if Grienke gives up 4 runs over 6 he ends up with a higher ERA than Arrieta on the season.

 

[CSF77]

Ya 5 runs separate them but Jake is going to end up with more innings pitched.

I have a feeling it is going to be really close in the votes. Got a feeling wins is going to be the deciding factor. Zack has no chance of breaking 20.

 

[CSF77]

Keuchel (20-8) held the D-backs to two runs on six hits in six innings to become the Astros' first 20-game winner since Roy Oswalt went 20-12 in 2005.

"Yeah, it's hard to reach, especially as specialists have become more and more common, starters have gone less and less over the years," Hinch said of the 20-wins mark. "To be in the game and either have the leads protected or finish your own outings is a rarity nowadays. It's hard to be in position to win that many games out of 30 starts, 30-plus starts."

From Astros game.

Crazy how that team turned it around that fast also.

 

[brett05]

Most votes are probably in

 

[wklink]

Keuchel (20-8) held the D-backs to two runs on six hits in six innings to become the Astros' first 20-game winner since Roy Oswalt went 20-12 in 2005.

"Yeah, it's hard to reach, especially as specialists have become more and more common, starters have gone less and less over the years," Hinch said of the 20-wins mark. "To be in the game and either have the leads protected or finish your own outings is a rarity nowadays. It's hard to be in position to win that many games out of 30 starts, 30-plus starts."

From Astros game.

Crazy how that team turned it around that fast also.

I don't think it was anything that couldn't be seen. Just like the Cubs the team suffered some poor years just so they could get the young talent in place to contend. I think they are still a year or so away (so is Chicago although we have done better) but Houston is a young team that is on the upswing.

 

[wklink]

As for Arrieta, no votes should ever go in until the final game of the year. I don't understand jumping the gun unless you completely have your mind made up already.

It would be one thing if one guy was substantially out in front of other contenders (like this years NL Rookie of the year) but the Cy is so close in so many ways that it looks to be the last game for both guys before a decision is made.

A case could be made for both pitchers but sorry, Arrieta has been unhittable for longer than Greinke. They are ridiculously close and Greinke may technically still be lower than Arrieta but honestly who can say that this year he has been an overall better pitcher? He has been great, certainly deserving of the Cy Young but to me Arrieta has been better, especially in the stretch when this team was fighting for a wildcard spot.

 

[brett05]

I agree but here's the thing Greinke will be on a pitch count, Mattingly has said as much, and will likely pitch 5 innings. Granted he might be allowed to continue if he's got a no hitter going but if not he'll pitch the 5. Mattingly is a very much by the book, modern manager. Joe Maddon is...well not. Arrieta will be on no pitch count. If he's going great he's going to be allowed to stay in almost as long as he wants giving him the advantage of possibly having a great game where Greinke won't have that chance. The flip side is that Arrieta will have more chances to make a mistake that will hurt him but with the roll he's on I don't see that happening. As I said last night and many in the media are saying this morning there is an element of "what have you done for me lately" going on. Arrieta is the shiny new toy. If Greinke does nothing to lose an award he's been the front runner for all year long while doing nothing but maintaining his excellence should he feel like he got jobbed? Damn straight and no one will blame him.

As people here and elsewhere have said for weeks there are three deserving candidates here. I even agree with you that in an advanced statistical analysis it should go to Kershaw. That's not happening for various reasons including winning last year. Still if any of the three were to win there would be no grave injustice done. The Cubs have the PR machine whirling away, Greinke gets the final look. Most people here want Arrieta to win, duh we're Cubs fans, no one is going to feel Jake got jobbed if he doesn't. My guess, based on how I see the winds blowing, is that Geinke in his last start will be in the unfortunate position of having to overtake Arrieta in his last start with a great performance while on a pitch count. Is that fair. Absolutely not. It's going to Jake.

Except Jake was on a pitch count

 

[CSF77]

I don't think it was anything that couldn't be seen. Just like the Cubs the team suffered some poor years just so they could get the young talent in place to contend. I think they are still a year or so away (so is Chicago although we have done better) but Houston is a young team that is on the upswing.

Just because you have a top pick doesn't mean it will work out. It just increases the odds. What has helped them has been the depth of the farm.

Cubs drafted close to major league talent then spent this year while trading to get more talent. They attacked from all angles to put together this team. The draft it self only netted Bryant and Schwarber up to this point. Trades Rizzo, Arrieta, Russell, Grimm, Ramirez, Edwards and Strop. Seems to me the trades have been the biggest impact.

 

[CSF77]

On Arrieta vs Grenke. Could go either way. There is no wrong answer. Grenke has stayed at that level for a whole season and Arrieta had the best 2nd half of all time. Basically they are even. It could go either way and that voter would not be wrong in their vote as each player has earned the award.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

He was. 6 IP. Gotcha. Here's the thing though right now, this minute Greinke leads Arrieta by just over 9/100 of a run. Jake has, and still will in the end, pitched more innings. If Jake had continued last night it's likely the ERA would slightly better. Greinke pitches today. Say the ERA separation is 6/100 when it's done with Jake still with almost a game more in innings. Think it's a slam dunk for Greinke? Look I've said all along this is the closest CY race I've ever seen. If he doesn't win it so be it. His second half was better statistically than Bob freaking Gipson's second half in 1968. I've seen Jake pitch in at least 20 of his starts. I have never seen anyone pitch better in the stretch run including Pedro Martinez in 2000. I'm done caring if he wins it but it's been spectacular and a joy watch. Now the only game I care about us Wednesday and I have all the confidence in the world in this pitcher.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

On Arrieta vs Grenke. Could go either way. There is no wrong answer. Grenke has stayed at that level for a whole season and Arrieta had the best 2nd half of all time. Basically they are even. It could go either way and that voter would not be wrong in their vote as each player has earned the award.

Exactly.

 

[chibears55]

All Greinke has on Arrieta is a few percentage points in ERA..

Arrieta will have 3 or 4 more wins and be a 20 game winner..
More innings pitched.. 4 to 1 in CG.. 3 to 0 in SHO.. no hitter... major league record in lowest ERA in 2nd half..

Voters are going to look at more then just the ERA , which isnt much of a difference..
2 or 3 ERs overall

I said before, I think Greinke going to lose some first place votes on the West Coast to Kershaw. . While Arrieta will get most to all the first place votes in Midwest and East Coast..

Padres can get 3 or more off him tonight, then Greinke wont even have the ERA battle won..

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[brett05]

All Greinke has on Arrieta is a few percentage points in ERA..

Arrieta will have 3 or 4 more wins and be a 20 game winner..
More innings pitched.. 4 to 1 in CG.. 3 to 0 in SHO.. no hitter... major league record in lowest ERA in 2nd half..

Voters are going to look at more then just the ERA , which isnt much of a difference..
2 or 3 ERs overall

I said before, I think Greinke going to lose some first place votes on the West Coast to Kershaw. . While Arrieta will get most to all the first place votes in Midwest and East Coast..

Padres can get 3 or more off him tonight, then Greinke wont even have the ERA battle won..

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It doesn't work that way

 

[chibears55]

It doesn't work that way

No ?

You have dinner with the Voters and they tell you how they think when they vote ? ?

 

[Bear Pride]

Zach gives up 1 run in 4 innings, and is held out prior to that, when Jake just keeps on rolling???? You metric heads can't help yourself, and it should'nt mean shit. Jake has kicked ass from the All Star break, no matter what Zach has done.

Jake set the "all time" ERA from the All Star break, and had a no hitter. He's also taken a 'young' team into the playoffs and put them on his shoulders. I think Jake deserves this shiznet, and all that say otherwise should go get some cotton candy and a funnel cake!

 

[Boobaby1]

Zach gives up 1 run in 4 innings, and is held out prior to that, when Jake just keeps on rolling???? You metric heads can't help yourself, and it should'nt mean shit. Jake has kicked ass from the All Star break, no matter what Zach has done.

Jake set the "all time" ERA from the All Star break, and had a no hitter. He's also taken a 'young' team into the playoffs and put them on his shoulders. I think Jake deserves this shiznet, and all that say otherwise should go get some cotton candy and a funnel cake!

I will trade that award for a win next Wednesday.

 

[CSF77]

Well Zack did nothing to lose it last night.

He is pretty much the boring pick of the 3.

Arrieta is the sexy pick. Kershaw shouldn't sniff it. Peeps that back him value strike outs. Think Randy Johnson had plenty of those years and won nothing.

 

[brett05]

No ?

You have dinner with the Voters and they tell you how they think when they vote ? ?

You are free to live with your conspiracies

 

[brett05]

Well Zack did nothing to lose it last night.

He is pretty much the boring pick of the 3.

Arrieta is the sexy pick. Kershaw shouldn't sniff it. Peeps that back him value strike outs. Think Randy Johnson had plenty of those years and won nothing.

Two no hitters dominates the metrics.