The Next Year Thread: What Should This Team Look Like in 2012?

[Captain Obvious]

Seems about average to me (see bolded text in second quote).

Think about it... graduate HS at 18, get drafted at 22, play Short-season A or A- at 22, A+ at 23.

Well that's fine, but that's just not true. Baseball America | Blog | Baseball America Prospects Blog | Minor League Averages 2009

Average age is 22. Plus, he has never hit this well before. You guys can get your hopes up, but he is nothing special.

 

[Lex L.]

Who wants to do a sig bet for the 2012 season with me? we have not had many sig bets on this site.

I say with confidence that the cubs will NOT get Pujols or Fielder next year. For each person that goes against me and if they win, I will wear a cubs logo as a sig with each members name that was right. If I win, you sport the sox logo with my name as a winner.

I will make sure this thread is archived.

So pony up cub fans.

Fielder and Pujols wont be coming to the cubs.

1. No one cares. Its not like you have any effect on what will happen. 2. Why are you trolling the Cubs forum?

 

[Jntg4]

Wow... it is really easy to forget that Josh Vitters is still just 21 years old. Younger than most of the people in this draft... but is still considered a lost hope because he isn't here already. I'm giving him as much time as he needs.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Wow... it is really easy to forget that Josh Vitters is still just 21 years old. Younger than most of the people in this draft... but is still considered a lost hope because he isn't hear already. I'm giving him as much time as he needs.

:smh:

My problem with Vitters is his plate discipline & hasn't really had success in about a year.

 

[Jntg4]

Well that's fine, but that's just not true. Baseball America | Blog | Baseball America Prospects Blog | Minor League Averages 2009

Average age is 22. Plus, he has never hit this well before. You guys can get your hopes up, but he is nothing special.

The link you just sent proves you wrong...
"Classification Leagues Tms Batters Pitchers Total"
"High Class A CAL, CAR, FSL 30 22.6 23.0 22.8[/B]"

All of those numbers are closer to 23 than to 22. So when rounding to a full year, yes, it is 23.

He's never hit before? He's only been in the organization for 1 and a half seasons before this season. Small sample size, anyone?

 

[Jntg4]

:smh:

My problem with Vitters is his plate discipline & hasn't really had success in about a year.

@ bolded "hear" in post you quoted: School got out today, I'm dropping my grammar down... I know the difference between "here" and "hear", just wrote fast and didn't bother going back to detect grammar issues.

 

[Captain Obvious]

The link you just sent proves you wrong...
"Classification Leagues Tms Batters Pitchers Total"
"High Class A CAL, CAR, FSL 30 22.6 23.0 22.8[/B]"

All of those numbers are closer to 23 than to 22. So when rounding to a full year, yes, it is 23.

He's never hit before? He's only been in the organization for 1 and a half seasons before this season. Small sample size, anyone?

So now we should just round everything? Interesting.

And for god's sake, does anyone really think he can continue to put up a .288 ISO? That'll put him in the top 10 about every season. Quit being such a homer over prospects. Most of them don't pan out.

 

[Jntg4]

So now we should just round everything? Interesting.

And for god's sake, does anyone really think he can continue to put up a .288 ISO? That'll put him in the top 10 about every season. Quit being such a homer over prospects. Most of them don't pan out.

YOU rounded down from 22.8 to 22 to say that 23 was wrong.

I'm not being a homer... I don't expect too much out of him. But I disagree with you saying they all have no chance when they aren't nearly as bad as you claim.

 

[FirstTimer]

Average age is 22. Plus, he has never hit this well before.

He hit .291 last season in the pitching friendly MWL. 12 HR's in his first full season of pro ball. Not bad.

he also hit the shit out of the ball in college. It's not like this power in unexpected. The Cubs drafted him because he was a power guy.

Right now in his second full pro season he's mashing the ball. We don't have much of a point of comparison for him because he's just starting his minor league career for the most part.

So now we should just round everything?

Most people past the 5th grade would round 22.8 to 23.


No one is being a "homer" over Bour. You're the one who said he sucked and compared him in his 2nd full season of pro ball at 23 to Micah Hoffpaur at 27/28 and you got called out on it.

I wasn't aware that pointing out that Bour was having a good season was being a "homer"...yet saying the Cubs pitching staff, that is statistically the worst in the league, isn't the problem with the Cubs isn't being a homer?

:dunno:

 

[DewsSox79]

1. No one cares. Its not like you have any effect on what will happen. 2. Why are you trolling the Cubs forum?

Lex L the mod hater and useless poster. Welcome back turd!

you 2nd sentence is pretty funny though i will say. I dont need to have an effect on the team nor do i, just giving my 2 cents on what I think since, well, I kinda understand how to run multiple machines, and when I say machines....I mean business.

Side note* I love how CO thanks you for your ignorant but funny post. Sorry I dont live in LALA land where I sit on my chair relaxing with a cigar and a tall glass of false hope.

 

[DewsSox79]

So now we should just round everything? Interesting.

And for god's sake, does anyone really think he can continue to put up a .288 ISO? That'll put him in the top 10 about every season. Quit being such a homer over prospects. Most of them don't pan out.

Quit being such a "homer" period.

 

[DewsSox79]

He hit .291 last season in the pitching friendly MWL. 12 HR's in his first full season of pro ball. Not bad.

he also hit the shit out of the ball in college. It's not like this power in unexpected. The Cubs drafted him because he was a power guy.

Right now in his second full pro season he's mashing the ball. We don't have much of a point of comparison for him because he's just starting his minor league career for the most part.


Most people past the 5th grade would round 22.8 to 23.


No one is being a "homer" over Bour. You're the one who said he sucked and compared him in his 2nd full season of pro ball at 23 to Micah Hoffpaur at 27/28 and you got called out on it.

I wasn't aware that pointing out that Bour was having a good season was being a "homer"...yet saying the Cubs pitching staff, that is statistically the worst in the league, isn't the problem with the Cubs isn't being a homer?

:dunno:

CO, hate to break it to ya....you just got fucking served yet again. when will you learn?

 

[Lex L.]

Quit being such a "homer" period.

Again, why are you trolling the Cubs forum?

 

[poodski]

You shouldn't really look at age so much when looking at prospects, you should look at years in the minors.

As for Bour though, it's not a good sign he spent all of last season in A ball. He needs to get moved to AA quickly or else I am not going to get too excited.

 

[FirstTimer]

As for Bour though, it's not a good sign he spent all of last season in A ball. He needs to get moved to AA quickly or else I am not going to get too excited.

It was his first full season in the minors last year. Him jumping from A-AA in his first full season as a 25th round draft pick would have been a pretty fast track. AA isn't really what it used to be and more often than not position player prospects go right from AA to MLB so if Bour hits AA by the end of this year, which he should, and starts next season at AA or gets a ST invite I'd say he's pretty much right on course for where he should be for someone who wasn't an elite top tier prospect coming out of college.

Also, in regards to the jump to AA that is made pretty tough right now by Ridling playing so well at 1B for Tennessee. Granted Ridling can slide to a corner OF spot, but the Cubs system is really deep with OFer's right now and until Jackson moves on there's only so many spots in the OF for guys to play. I guess it's a good problem for the Cubs to have in once sense but it can make it look like Bour isn't progressing, when he is, there's really just not an open slot for him at the next level up.

In summation, I guess what I am trying to say is that I feel Bour's lack of a jump to AA at this point isn't a reflection of anything being wrong with Bour or anything he can really help. It is more a reflection of how well the guys at Tennessee are playing/hitting

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Again, why are you trolling the Cubs forum?

Cause I wasn't here at the moment to put CO's leash back on

 

[Doogolas]

Bour is very much a legitimate prospect right now. He has to be moved up soon and show he can do it against more advanced pitching in AA, but he is only in his second full season since being drafted, that is why he's older than he should be for his league. Last year was his first full season and he hit for solid average and showed good OBP skills. He's 6'4" 250lbs and he's added home runs to his game.

Micah Hoffpauir was nothing like this. When Bour is moved up to AA this season, it will be VERY interesting to see what he does. If he continues to hit for power, then he will be a very, very, very interesting guy to watch. My hopes are not super high just yet, but he is worth being intrigued over.

 

[Jntg4]

Bour is very much a legitimate prospect right now. He has to be moved up soon and show he can do it against more advanced pitching in AA, but he is only in his second full season since being drafted, that is why he's older than he should be for his league. Last year was his first full season and he hit for solid average and showed good OBP skills. He's 6'4" 250lbs and he's added home runs to his game.

Micah Hoffpauir was nothing like this. When Bour is moved up to AA this season, it will be VERY interesting to see what he does. If he continues to hit for power, then he will be a very, very, very interesting guy to watch. My hopes are not super high just yet, but he is worth being intrigued over.

He isn't older, the average age is 22.8 for that league, he's 23. Not really older, just a few months.

 

[Doogolas]

Yeah, but he really is older. You have to keep in mind that the reason the "average age" is that high is because it's mostly the guys who are way way way too old for the league. I'd say 90% of the time the better prospects are beyond A+ ball by the time they are 23 years old.

Now, he is something of an exception being a late round pick that is only in his second full season. And he'll be in AA, no doubt, before July (once draftees start signing and the huge moving days occur) but for right now he is nothing more than intriguing and a bit older than what is ideal.

 

[Jntg4]

Yeah, but he really is older. You have to keep in mind that the reason the "average age" is that high is because it's mostly the guys who are way way way too old for the league. I'd say 90% of the time the better prospects are beyond A+ ball by the time they are 23 years old.

Now, he is something of an exception being a late round pick that is only in his second full season. And he'll be in AA, no doubt, before July (once draftees start signing and the huge moving days occur) but for right now he is nothing more than intriguing and a bit older than what is ideal.

Na, A+ generally doesn't have many minor league vets who are old career minor leaguers. It is just an overall young league that he is about average in.