The obvious HC hire

[dennehy]

Ben Johnson is the best on paper, but who knows what he's actually like. And that offense is extremely talented, there is no weak link and lots of depth. Gives him a lot of freedom.

That said, if Caleb continues to grow and likes Brown, and if Brown is good with it, I'd probably lean toward Vrabel as HC and Brown as OC. But obviously that is more tenuous for Caleb. Vrabel, though, is going to have any team playing disciplined, aggressive football. He would fit in well in Chicago and likely commands a locker room with his playing and coaching history.

I'm hoping for one of those two outcomes.

 

[HausOfSausage]

At this point, Sam Brinton is the obvious choice. Caleb would agree.

 

[Dstone5553]

Poles, Ian, and Warren will all be in on the hire and George has ultimate sign off. You can’t put it all on Poles.

For example, let me ask you this: If Poles tells George he wants to hire say, Jon Gruden, do you think George signs off? There’s no way.

People who believe “Poles will be making the hire” are not seeing the full picture. Can’t say he’s making the hire when he won’t be able to hire anyone he wants no matter what.

Agreed but Poles was apparently the only one who wanted to retain Flus. So the final decision will be his. We just have to live with that and we just have to pray he gets better at this stuff and doesn't keep making the same mistake.

And your example doesn't work for me because I believe not a single one of us wants George to have any say in this whatsoever. He shouldn't have an opinion simple as that. He's one of the reasons we had Flus in the first place.

But I get your point.

 

[SugarWalls]

I don’t know. That Penei Sewell trick play reminded me of shit Waldron would do.

Did the lions 1st place in the NFL in ppg remind you of Waldron as well?

 

[Rise]

Ben Johnson named 3 OCs as influencers on his career: John Schoop, Mike Martz, and Adam Gase.

 

[Heidenlarm]

Sugar I thought you were gonna say Heidi. I'd put Tez on mouth guard duty.

 

[SugarWalls]

The NFC north has lafleur coaching guys like Malik Willis to multiple wins, oconnell making darnold look like a fringe MVP prospect, Campbell is inevitably losing Ben Johnson a 38 year old coaching one of the best offenses in the NFL, and you meatballs are hoping for vrabel?

Let me guess, you guys also wanted Jamal Adams to be selected 4th overall.

It would be moronic to go the vrabel route if you are looking for long term success.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

With Brown we get a preview. All the hype about Johnson and you really don’t know what he would be like, he could be the next Nagy. And as I said before, with the track record of failure for first time head coaches with the Bears and how it affects their careers going forward I don’t think Johnson would want to come here if he has multiple options. Coaches go to Chicago to die (and QB’s). And with this ownership and their blundering I would be very skeptical of coming to Chicago if it was me.

I mean wow, how bad is it that they let Flus go through with the press conference this morning!

 

[Moses Moreno]

I don’t trust that Ben Johnson can command the room. He doesn’t come off as some inspiring leader to me. I think he is the perfect right hand man brain to a guy like Campbell.

Honestly I’m excited to see how Thomas Brown is. He comes off as the type who can inspire a room and that’s a huge part of being the HC. He also seems to be damn good at calling plays, which is the second thing we need.

Sean McVay had this guy as his Asst HC for a reason. Look at two of the best ran franchises HCs in Steelers and Packers. Think to yourself why were they chosen? Hell Lefluer had the 30th ranked offense.

Now don’t get me twisted I’m not 100% on Thomas Brown long term but I’m excited they made the correct move which is let’s find out these last 5 weeks how he is.

Let him earn it.

It's similar to the Bruce Airians in Indy audition.

 

[SugarWalls]

With Brown we get a preview. All the hype about Johnson and you really don’t know what he would be like, he could be the next Nagy. And as I said before, with the track record of failure for first time head coaches with the Bears and how it affects their careers going forward I don’t think Johnson would want to come here if he has multiple options. Coaches go to Chicago to die (and QB’s). And with this ownership and their blundering I would be very skeptical of coming to Chicago if it was me.

I mean wow, how bad is it that they let Flus go through with the press conference this morning!

Nagy didn’t have nearly the experience of Ben Johnson, and we all know Reid runs the show there. Chiefs also have goat QB in mahomes.

The lions have completely changed goffs career, fckn Mcvay quit on this guy.

 

[Anytime23]

It’s really hard to spot the next great HC who run their own offenses but what I do know is that Johnson
1. Isn’t working with elite QB play
2. Isn’t working under an offensive mastermind who actually calls the plays

Those are the two things that usually turn me away. I wish there was more of a sample size of his OC resume with different situations.

 

[SugarWalls]

It’s really hard to spot the next great HC who run their own offenses but what I do know is that Johnson
1. Isn’t working with elite QB play
2. Isn’t working under an offensive mastermind who actually calls the plays

Those are the two things that usually turn me away. I wish there was more of a sample size of his OC resume with different situations.

I agree I wish he had some other experience we could point to but if he had that experience he’d likely be an HC somewhere else by now. Especially in this day when OC’s get fired all the time if they fail, and guys with shit experience like Nagy get a chance at HC positions.

For me, the only question is personality which I do think really matters in the HC position. If he has a personality the team can rally around I think the bears need to take this swing and don’t have second thoughts.

 

[IHATETHEBEARS(IHTB)]

The Bears will do what they always do. They’ll hire an obscure coordinator that isn’t well known, so they don’t have to shell out a lot of cash. It’s not a coincidence that Eberflus was the lowest paid head coach in the NFL.

 

[msadows]

That isn't what makes him a genius. And end round to Penei Sewell who looked like he was going to attempt a pass is what makes him a genius.

So the same type of shit waldron did, except the lions have better players? Got it

 

[Anytime23]

I agree I wish he had some other experience we could point to but if he had that experience he’d likely be an HC somewhere else by now. Especially in this day when OC’s get fired all the time if they fail, and guys with shit experience like Nagy get a chance at HC positions.

For me, the only question is personality which I do think really matters in the HC position. If he has a personality the team can rally around I think the bears need to take this swing and don’t have second thoughts.

I think working with Campbell and Glenn give him a good perspective on what might work with players. He has to hire the right assistants though.

 

[Enasic]

Agreed but Poles was apparently the only one who wanted to retain Flus. So the final decision will be his. We just have to live with that and we just have to pray he gets better at this stuff and doesn't keep making the same mistake.

And your example doesn't work for me because I believe not a single one of us wants George to have any say in this whatsoever. He shouldn't have an opinion simple as that. He's one of the reasons we had Flus in the first place.

But I get your point.

Of course no one wants George to have a say. But he’s the owner…the owner always has final say. Not to mention, we have over a decades worth of history that shows George meddles in this shit all the time.

 

[SugarWalls]

So the same type of shit waldron did, except the lions have better players? Got it

Lmao Nagy and Trubisky really broke your brane didn't they?

 

[msadows]

Its easy to look like a great OC when you have the best offensive line in the NFL.

Just like its easy to look like a great DC when you got the best Dline in the nfl.

Not sure what Ben Johnson is doing when larry borom is letting guys just run by him.

 

[Nads786]

Here's another tidbit I heard from Briggs that really stood out.

He commented that he essentially wanted Trestman gone after their first meeting. It was immediate and obvious to him that Trestman was not a good fit.

Along those lines and thinking back to when they were doing all the pre-draft work on Caleb, why not involve the players more in the final decision on the HC? They had the team leaders have dinner with Caleb and they all got to know each other a bit before making the final decision.

I realize that could be a slippery slope, maybe it's a horrible idea, but there is a part of me as well that goes...if you have the HC you intend to hire meet with your team captains and they all come away impressed then I think you are on the right path. But, if the guy you are thinking of hiring just falls completely flat with your team captains, probably should find someone else.

This is what the Cavs did with Akintson. They had him meet with Mitchell to pitch him on signing a long term deal with the Cavs.

 

[msadows]

Lmao Nagy and Trubisky really broke your brane didn't they?

We literally just shit on waldron for calling a stupid cute OL trick play.

Ben Johnson does it and he's a genius.

Almost like personnel matters. If BJ was coaching this current team they would be better but he cant fix a terrible OL and a rookie QB struggling at times.