The Official Bash On Dan Bernstein Thread ( Dan Bernstein Sucks )

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Maybe we can invite the fake Terry Boers over to challenge Joe to that fight?

 

[Rice Cube]

I'm actually surprised there is no @DanBernsteinSucks on Twitter. Unless there is, in which case, well played.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Well he did threaten to kick my ass a few yrs ago if I came near him ever.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

There was a fake Dan Bernstein on twitter that was hilarious, but I don't think it is around anymore.

 

[Rice Cube]

There was a fake Dan Bernstein on twitter that was hilarious, but I don't think it is around anymore.

Wonder if they got sued or something.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Wonder if they got sued or something.

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think you can get sued for an obvious parody. Especially when it is a public figure.

See Fallwell v. Flynt

 

[Rice Cube]

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think you can get sued for an obvious parody. Especially when it is a public figure.

See Fallwell v. Flynt

I thought that as well, but I do wonder what the bounds are when it comes to libel.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I thought that as well, but I do wonder what the bounds are when it comes to libel.

Well in Falwell v Flynt, Jerry Falwell was said to have had his first sexual experience with his mother in an outhouse. I'm not sure you can get much more libelous than that.

 

[nwfisch]

 

[Rice Cube]

Well in Falwell v Flynt, Jerry Falwell was said to have had his first sexual experience with his mother in an outhouse. I'm not sure you can get much more libelous than that.

Well, then, parody away! :woot:

#DanBernsteinSucks

 

[FirstTimer]

Listening to their show yesterday, and wanted to post because of my confusion. Here is what happened...

B&B were talking about the recent college football coaching firings and hirings. Since this is B&B, they were speaking in VERY general terms.

They started talking about this study done by Harvard or MIT, which said that hiring a new coach does not change the W-L record of a team. It has no impact whatsoever. Bernstein explained it as "a team is what it is". Boers agreed (surprise), and wondered why people care about these coach hirings/firings so much.

What?? Does anyone know if this study exists? And if so, is it how B&B described it? Not only do I find it hard to believe, I just find it to be statistically impossible.

Anyway, B&B ended the segment by talking about Tom Crean and how he's doing a great job at Indiana. They said he really turned around the program. B&B irony at its finest.

AS someone who has watched Bob Davie, Tyrone Willingham, and Charlie Weis lead Notre Dame prior to Brian Kelly.............I have to agree with this Harvard study.

































:andruw:

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

A quick google search yields a Harvard Institute of Coaching, but it appears to be executive coaching.

 

[FirstTimer]

I've long been an advocate for Boers & Bernstein switching to an all-NBA format, because that is the only topic in which they know anything. All other topics are beyond them, and they only result in Bernstein getting upset at callers for no reason other than his own stupidity. And when Bernstein gets upset, its not like he raises his voice...he instead pulls a Hawk Harrelson and refuses to even discuss the issue. For a guy whose entire job is to discuss sports, I find it odd how he still maintains employment. Anyway, here were two issues brought up yesterday regarding the Bears...

1) Bears coaching staff developing players

This is a tough one, because its easy to use Jerry Angelo as the catch-all excuse and move on. I don't think its that simple. I also want to give Lovie credit, because I think this year we have seen some guys develop in the secondary and on the defensive line, which hasn't really happened in a long time. That said, I do think the young Bears players are never really prepared to step in and contribute right away. Guys like Roach, Steltz, Wright, any Olineman, they all appeared clueless for several games/entire seasons before approaching usefulness (if at all).

Bernstein had his usual idiotic/hyperbolic rant of "Name one player who left the Bears and set the world on fire!!". This misses the point...the coaching staff needs to develop starting quality players and backups who won't kill you when they have to play. They don't need to develop the next Brian Urlacher from every mid-round pick. Also, not many players in the NFL are cut from one team and then become All-Pros with another team. We don't have Kurt Warner stories every year. NFL teams are too shrewd in their evaluation. I don't know what league Bernstein has been watching, but NFL teams aren't cutting Ray Rice to make room for Brock Forsey.

Bernstein's comment was typical, because in the previous 30 seconds he was saying how much better Greg Olsen was than Kellen Davis. There are several jettisoned Bears players who ended up being decent starters on other NFL teams.


2) Bears ownership/management role

Bernstein was equally adamant that blaming Bears ownership/management is "old" and doesn't have any relevence. Only meatball fans blame the McCaskeys and Ted Phillips, and to claim the Bears are too cheap to make changes to the organization is a thing of the past. Terry Boers helpfully pointed out Lovie Smith's current salary. The whole conversation was a WTF? for me, because the Bears management obviously has had a big impact on the team, and their cheapness is currently affecting their hiring practices. How Boers/Bernstein doesn't see this is incomprehensible. Lets check the timeline...

*GM position is open, but Bears make it clear that the new GM has to keep Dick Jauron as HC because they don't want to eat his contract. Jerry Angelo is a lesser candidate, but he is hired in part because he will go along with the Jauron thing.

*Jauron's tenure has one up and many downs (I think he makes one postseason in 5 years). Angelo eventually fires him. Bears don't want to spend big money on new HC, so they end up with Lovie Smith.

*Later on, Bears don't want to eat Angelo's contract, so he's allowed to continue as GM even though he is proven to be terrible.

*GM position is open again, and again the Bears make it clear the new GM has to keep Lovie as HC because they don't want to eat his contract. Phil Emery is a lesser candidate, and was actually a scout under the terrible Angelo reign, but he is hired in part because he will go along with the Lovie thing.

Seems to be a repeating process...no? Boers, I really don't care how well Lovie is currently paid...in fact, that is a hindrance because the Bears are unwilling to eat his contract. Bernstein, I really don't care if Emery is being paid "market value"...the Bears have been unable to attract a good GM because they place constraints on their ability to hire/fire a HC. Am I the only one who sees this?

Two things I'll somewhat disagree with here:

1. Emery IMO wasn't a lesser candidate. He was a really well respected director of scouting for the Falcons and Chiefs and IIRC was interviewing for other GM positions as well. He was an "up and comer" among GM candidates based on the drafting and work he did in Atlanta and KC. Granted KC has fallen off fairly hard but the still have a lot of talent on the roster. That team is dysfunctional in general IMO.

2. While Emery was a scout under Angelo he was also a scout during the pre-Angelo regime when the Bears had their last truly productive drafts(Urlacher, Briggs, Tillman, Mike Brown, etc etc etc) and it's somewhat difficult to really account for Emery's "blame" on the duds or studs given the fact that he wasn't actually making the choices.

I'll agree on your point above as well in regards to Bernstein being an idiot about the entire "Name a guy who has gone elsewhere and done well" deal. Name a Patriots player who has left and done anything. The point isn't to be proven right because a guy goes somewhere else and does well, it's to be proven right because he plays well for the team that took him. Who cares what any player does once they leave? Systems are different, schemes are different, players aren't "plug and play" especially guys on the fringes of NFL rosters that are getting cut most often.

 

[nwfisch]

Now the new crusade is Steve Alford apparently.

 

[Icculus]

Re: Dan Bernstein Sucks ( When Will WSCR 670 The Score Change Format )

He's been trashing Alford for over a decade and Dan's completely accurate here, especially since this started with the Pierre Pierce debacle in Iowa.

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[DewsSox79]

but the problem is its a sports talk show in chicago. no need to use overkill and talk about the same shit over and over again and whine like a *****. its an agenda filled show on bernsteins part. penn state, hawk harrelson, lance armstrong, cooking, CTE expert, executive chef, perfect kids, basement hockey etc etc. thats his show in a nutshell.

 

[Capt. Serious]

but the problem is its a sports talk show in chicago. no need to use overkill and talk about the same shit over and over again and whine like a *****. its an agenda filled show on bernsteins part. penn state, hawk harrelson, lance armstrong, cooking, CTE expert, executive chef, perfect kids, basement hockey etc etc. thats his show in a nutshell.

Honestly, I quit listening to sports radio months ago.

All of a sudden, it just got tiresome for me.

 

[nwfisch]

He's been trashing Alford for over a decade and Dan's completely accurate here, especially since this started with the Pierre Pierce debacle in Iowa.

Motor Boating

College coaches are slimebags

:dontsay:

 

[Monk]

Honestly, I quit listening to sports radio months ago.

All of a sudden, it just got tiresome for me.

Did you listen during the whole Manti thing. It was brutal. I quit listening for a while just because of that. Even the guys on radio who didn't want to talk about it kind of had to I guess, but every segment of every show came back to it somehow or another.

 

[Icculus]

Re: Dan Bernstein Sucks ( When Will WSCR 670 The Score Change Format )

College classes and schoolwork are why I've listened to sports radio way less than I did last summer. B and B were better with Goff. Now, it's just the Bernstein agenda show; Les Grobstein is the most knowledgeable host on The Score by a wide margin.

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